T1x 22 vs 17hmr

Iv had both still have a .22 only reason I don’t have the 17hmr is I traded it for a Center fire some time ago as the rim fire was not getting used . Reason I have the .22 is it was $100 In light of a recent thread I though hot damn I’d get a lot more daily use out of a rimfire so why no have a somewhat nice one. Rather than a timeless classic I will go with the t1x and chuck it in a chassis to scratch two itchs at once . Chassis builds somewhat appeal to me as a target rifle but not hunting their for I somewhat want one but have no interest in a Center fire in a chassis likely the mdt for its mix with no standalone pistol grip. More “tacticool” rifle stock

However on a budget I can not afford both .22 and .17hmr but am open to owning both in time with 1 chassis to share between them . I’m trying to decide which first . My 17 was awesome very accurate no good for fur as it was messy but that’s a none issue now days the .22 is cheaper to run and am not handicapped to 17-20gn projectiles . I’m not intrested in shooting deer with it what do ever.

What day you and why? .22wmr would be ideal but not an option

.22LR every time. Silent and deadly. In my dreams, .22WMR with a lifetime's supply of subsonic ammunition (plus supersonic ammunition).

I think it mostly comes down to noise and ammo cost.
Is the ability to be quiet with subsonic ammo important to you? If so you only have one choice.
17HMR is always going to be loud, and more expensive.

I'm thinking of upgrading my old .22 as well.
Only reason I'll be sticking to the .22 is the range shoots at our local NZDA only allow .22LR.
I'll also be looking at the Tikka with a 16" barrel

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I run both .
For me it comes down to the type of land you hunt. I have some tight Matagouri gullies to shoot that require most shots between 10 - 80 mtrs , for this I run a .22. ( suppressed )
Then there is a lot of country down here where shots are 100 - 180 mtrs and static shooting while working a hill face and for this I use the 17hmr ( suppressed ).
A rough rule of thumb for me is if I am walking it's the .22 and if I am only walking from one static shooting position to another and setting up again it's the 17hmr.

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Originally Posted by viper

I run both .
For me it comes down to the type of land you hunt. I have some tight Matagouri gullies to shoot that require most shots between 10 - 80 mtrs , for this I run a .22. ( suppressed )
Then there is a lot of country down here where shots are 100 - 180 mtrs and static shooting while working a hill face and for this I use the 17hmr ( suppressed ).
A rough rule of thumb for me is if I am walking it's the .22 and if I am only walking from one static shooting position to another and setting up again it's the 17hmr.

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+1 to Viper, and I would add that if you are shooting in areas were ricochets are an issue due to backdrops, the ricochet potential of the 17HMR is way less than the .22LR.

Yep you really gotta watch .22's especially with subs, ricochets are common. Ok if you are in the middle of wide open spaces with no built up area or roads or anything around. But most of the properties I shoot are reasonably built up and I just cannot risk ricochets.

While I have a nice CZ 452 American in .22 lr it gets very little use.

My 17 Hornet and 17hmr on the other hand get a heap of use on these types of properties. Due to no ricochets or bullet pass thru's etc.

And I like walking down the ends of rows in the orchards and if I see a rabbit inside 200 yards it's dead, not easy to do that every shot with a 22lr

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Originally Posted by Dusty Fog

A 17 hornet would fix both problems, hammer projectiles come up to 21 gr copper hollow point. Shot a young fallow with a 22lr the other week in the lungs, worked well so the 17 hornet should do the job

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Tricky to find one but should have bought the one in my local a year or so ago when I spied it their

I only shoot subs through my 22, if I don't mind making noise I'll use 17hmr.

17hmr is an easy 150m varmint cartridge 22lr is not, if you need the distance then 17hmr is the easy choice.
Unless you are shooting a lot that ammo cost becomes an issue.

Given that my current .22 functions perfectly and is really very accurate iv decided il go with the 17 . I had my 22 sited at 75 mtrs with subs and it was a pain was lobbing pills over top of anything closer I changed it to 50 yards and it’s got a very good hit rate now

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Originally Posted by Kelton

Given that my current .22 functions perfectly and is really very accurate iv decided il go with the 17 . I had my 22 sited at 75 mtrs with subs and it was a pain was lobbing pills over top of anything closer I changed it to 50 yards and it’s got a very good hit rate now

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can get a rossi 17hmr bolt action, suppressor, vixen 3-12 milldot scope and ammo for under 1000$ not a bad little setup if money is tight

Moneys just to tight for two at this stage wanting to put it in a chassis doubles the price
More or less, looking between the t1x and the begara trainer at this stage

bergara bmr is worth looking at dont know when/if 17hmr will make it to nz

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Originally Posted by Carbine

bergara bmr is worth looking at dont know when/if 17hmr will make it to nz

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I do like the idea of the rim fire/.22 comps good way to have fun with out chewing up centerfire components which is what got me looking at the trainer il be back in store Saturday playing with both . They only have 1 t1x 17 and it’s the UPR model I would rather the standard stock to change it to a krg but I will have a good finder of all and make a couple of phone calls to near by stores

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Originally Posted by MB

In my dreams, .22WMR with a lifetime's supply of subsonic ammunition (plus supersonic ammunition).

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22 WMR in subsonic is just 22LR isnt?

22 WMR has more or less the same projectile as 22LR (10~15% heavier), just a larger case for more powder and higher velocity.

@Ultimitsu yes but that way he has both worlds.
Subsonics for quiet and the extra power of the war when using supersonic
Doesnt need a 22lr. Ammo a little bit dearer though

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Originally Posted by csmiffy

@Ultimitsu yes but that way he has both worlds.
Subsonics for quiet and the extra power of the war when using supersonic
Doesnt need a 22lr. Ammo a little bit dearer though

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You could achieve the same result with a 223, and then cover even more options, Ie down load from 22 sub, 22 wmr 22 hornet and full power 223.

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Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

22 WMR in subsonic is just 22LR isnt?

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Exactly, one gun, two very different applications.

17hmr with a decent suppressor (MAE in my case) is pretty quite, just a bit of a crack. Wouldn't use 17 on anything bigger than hares as the projectiles explode without penetrating.

I have 3 different rimfire (22LR Tikka, 17HMR Tikka and a 17Mach2 Ruger M77). They all have different purposes as I'll a pest contractor. If I could only have one for work, it would be the 17mach2 as the ballistics a much the same as the HMR, but the ammo price is closer to 22LR. Run a decent suppressor, no a $60 pile of shit. Don't worry about subsonic and noise as even the 17HMR is only loud if you miss, shooting around trees or fences. Hares and headshots on Wallabies are able the size limitation for my work with rimfire, as mentioned, the lack of penetration is a problem once to get any bigger.

If you were only plinking and the old rabbit and other small game, a 22LR is the simplest of all and ammo is generally available.

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Originally Posted by MB

Exactly, one gun, two very different applications.

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If you mean you want to carry one gun and both types of ammo on one trip, then I can understand. but wouldnt your gun be zeroed for only one ammo? not only there is a significant drop, the barrel whip wouldalso be different resulting in some level of lateral shift of POI as well. Unless you run tests for different set up to find a normal ammo and subsonic ammo that lands on the same vertical line.

When I go out on a farm for a day hunt, I also like the option of being able to shoot small game under 70 meters with a 22LR and longer shots/bigger game with a 223. My solution is just carry both guns.

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Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

If you mean you want to carry one gun and both types of ammo on one trip, then I can understand. but wouldnt your gun be zeroed for only one ammo? not only there is a significant drop, the barrel whip wouldalso be different resulting in some level of lateral shift of POI as well. Unless you run tests for different set up to find a normal ammo and subsonic ammo that lands on the same vertical line.

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I'm sure it could be worked out as is the case when people switch between supers and subs in other calibres. A fun little project for my future.