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After having a play with TR's rifle with a muzzle brake I'm now thinking of my set up. I like the reduction in weight and recoil and think it could be a good option for hunting, particularly since I'm a bit knackered body wise. It would be good for the long shots where there is time to set up (including ear protection) but not so good for shorter range snap shots where you don't get the extra time. Not that I've had any experience in either so far, but I'm thinking about it.

What's everyone's thoughts?

Use for snap shots as well as long as you use ear protection, e.g., electronic muffs which allow you to hear normally but also stop the damaging muzzle blast noise.

Some have it off for spook and shoot then on for long shots. A DPT is hardly going to break the back at a couple of hundred grams though.

Put a radial brake on. Leave it off when you are walking/stalking. Put it on when you have time to set up properly. Sight in with brake off. Any difference at 100 yds or so will be minimal for the occasional animal.
I did this with my 7SAUM and it worked well.

do you mean sight in with brake on? i.e. more likely to shoot longer ranges with the brake on requiring greater accuracy in those instances?

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Put a radial brake on. Leave it off when you are walking/stalking. Put it on when you have time to set up properly. Sight in with brake off. Any difference at 100 yds or so will be minimal for the occasional animal.
I did this with my 7SAUM and it worked well.

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My break which I never use has a huge vertical poi difference opposed to with it off.
More than my suppressor for some reason.

I have 2 spare breaks you can have a play with gadget.

See if you like the idea and then buy one of KGs flash Harry ones.



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My break which I never use has a huge vertical poi difference opposed to with it off.
More than my suppressor for some reason.

I have 2 spare breaks you can have a play with gadget.

See if you like the idea and then buy one of KGs flash Harry ones.



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Just quietly, I already have one of Gregs. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

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Just quietly, I already have one of Gregs. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

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Originally Posted by LOC

do you mean sight in with brake on? i.e. more likely to shoot longer ranges with the brake on requiring greater accuracy in those instances?

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Yep your right, ment to say on.

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Some have it off for spook and shoot then on for long shots. A DPT is hardly going to break the back at a couple of hundred grams though.

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Suitable for a magnum?

Damn it. I only bought the rifle for shits and giggles because it was cheap, but man I love shooting the 7mm RM. It would likely be with brake on or suppressor on since I'm too wimpy to use it naked. The conservation of momentum rule and my condition do not lend themselves to the 7mm RM without a little assistance.

Cut a couple of inches off your barrel. Use a slightly faster powder to recover the velocity and stick a DPT or such-like on. Often time you will pick up some of the lost velocity just through adding the muffler.

You minimise some of the recoil (not as good as a break though) and reduce the noise greatly. Its the noise that is damaging.

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Yes, and thanks to TR that is about as buggered as the rest of me. Might see if that can be dealt with too when I see the man with the knife on Thursday.

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Cut a couple of inches off your barrel. Use a slightly faster powder to recover the velocity and stick a DPT or such-like on. Often time you will pick up some of the lost velocity just through adding the muffler.

You minimise some of the recoil (not as good as a break though) and reduce the noise greatly. Its the noise that is damaging.

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It does currently wear a large Gunworks muffler but it is large and heavy. Don't really want to shorten it if I can avoid it.

Yep, Dpt o/b magnum available for the 7 R.E.M. Mag.

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Use a slightly faster powder to recover the velocity.

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Except you have break some of the laws of physics to make this happen, or do what most people do and just push the pressure up.

Will be going down this road soon,lighter rifle=more recoil.I knew this of course.
It is not unmanageable to shoot but I am out of practice and it is lively so I think the brake would help me with practice(I need some...ok lots)
I am not putting a suppressor on a 25 inch barrel as a permanent solution and I am not shortening it as I may as well go back to 308 if I did that.

I see me using a brake on the range and sitting on a lr spot but otherwise just bare for my usual hunting.

Your situation may differ

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Except you have break some of the laws of physics to make this happen, or do what most people do and just push the pressure up.

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Not that it probably matters too much in a hunting rifle but hotter and faster powders aid in decreasing barrel life/erosion when used to defy physics.

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Not that it probably matters too much in a hunting rifle but hotter and faster powders aid in decreasing barrel life/erosion when used to defy physics.

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And brass life probably moreso

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Not that it probably matters too much in a hunting rifle but hotter and faster powders aid in decreasing barrel life/erosion when used to defy physics.

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I can read that two ways. Aid in decreasing barrel life or decreasing erosion? they are mutually exclusive. or decreasing barrel erosion thereby extending barrel life?

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I can read that two ways. Aid in decreasing barrel life or decreasing erosion? they are mutually exclusive. or decreasing barrel erosion thereby extending barrel life?

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Now I am confused! Safe to say I meant that it is not normally a good practice.
It should be obvious by now my grasp on written English is poor at best[emoji16]

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With a big efficient cartridge you should hold relativity over a smaller one as you shorten the barrel. So as you get shorter (for instance) a 300 mag doesn't drop back to 308 performance at the same barrel length.

My 300saum with a 20" barrel is streets ahead of 30-06 at the same barrel length. At 20" it maintains the relative advantage it had at 24" (at 20" it tosses 165 grn projectiles out at 3,100 fps). No 30-06 could do that.

Does that make sense?

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Now I am confused! Safe to say I meant that it is not normally a good practice.
It should be obvious by now my grasp on written English is poor at best[emoji16]

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With a big efficient cartridge you should hold relativity over a smaller one as you shorten the barrel. So as you get shorter (for instance) a 300 mag doesn't drop back to 308 performance at the same barrel length.

My 300saum with a 20" barrel is streets ahead of 30-06 at the same barrel length. At 20" it maintains the relative advantage it had at 24" (at 20" it tosses 165 grn projectiles out at 3,100 fps). No 30-06 could do that.

Does that make sense?

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Yes a bigger case should perform better than a smaller in the same barrel lenght, I think the point @sneeze was making is the best powder for velocity/pressure is the best powder for velocity/pressure regfardless of a few inches of barrel so "getting it back" with a faster powder means higher pressures.

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Yes a bigger case should perform better than a smaller in the same barrel lenght, I think the point @sneeze was making is the best powder for velocity/pressure is the best powder for velocity/pressure regfardless of a few inches of barrel so "getting it back" with a faster powder means higher pressures.

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Yeah I understand that (now you have explained and I've thought about it), and to get the velocity that I've claimed back means I'm using buckets of N550 and R17 which no doubt is eroding the barrel's innards quite quickly.

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Yes a bigger case should perform better than a smaller in the same barrel lenght, I think the point @sneeze was making is the best powder for velocity/pressure is the best powder for velocity/pressure regfardless of a few inches of barrel so "getting it back" with a faster powder means higher pressures.

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Yes thats it. I don't know where the idea that shorter barrels are better with faster powders comes from, you see/hear it quite often, but in terms of velocity its a myth.