Unusual ammo you've come across

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23-10-2016, 12:25 AM
tommygun

Unusual ammo you've come across

I found out recently that Winchester makes subsonic .22 magnum ammo. Why, I'm not quite sure, but we even had a couple of bricks at work, a pest control guy bought it, I'm guessing just to deal with bunnies etc up close quietly with the same rifle he uses for longer range high velocity shots. Another thing is CCI 'Quiet' ammo, it runs at just 710 fps and won't cycle a semi, they also do a 'Suppressor' ammo, which will, both of which are quieter than the regular CCI subs. I just tried some of the 'Quiet' stuff today alongside regular CCI subs and man is it quiet, makes the normal subsonic sound sound like high velocity by comparison. Anyone else come across weird factory ammo?
23-10-2016, 12:48 AM
res

That cci quiet stuff is crazy slow
23-10-2016, 01:20 AM
tommygun

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Originally Posted by res

That cci quiet stuff is crazy slow

I know, less than half the speed of stingers
23-10-2016, 08:32 AM
zimmer

Maybe avoid Quiets

CCI quiets thru a lengthy barrel - RimfireCentral.com Forums
23-10-2016, 08:55 AM
gonetropo

a few years back there was 60grain aguila 22lr.
was slow and quiet but since it used dupont powder it extremely dirty
23-10-2016, 09:05 AM
Marty Henry

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

a few years back there was 60grain aguila 22lr.
was slow and quiet but since it used dupont powder it extremely dirty

Tried a packet of them, 22short case with a big arse bullet, could only hit the side of a barn at 10 yards travelling sideways
Quiet and slow but needed a faster twist.
23-10-2016, 11:29 AM
Beetroot

That CCI CB long 29gr (super slow) stuff is crazy quiet, like genuinely quieter that an air rifle. I found with 22 sighted at 50yards the CB longs were almost dead on at 20yards. Was horrifically inaccurate but work great on possums up close.
23-10-2016, 02:14 PM
res

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Tried a packet of them, 22short case with a big arse bullet, could only hit the side of a barn at 10 yards travelling sideways
Quiet and slow but needed a faster twist.

Shoots ok out of 1/2 my AR's and I had a bolt gun rebarled to use it. I'm constantly looking for more of it. Niche product for sure
23-10-2016, 06:18 PM
Steve123

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Originally Posted by res

Shoots ok out of 1/2 my AR's and I had a bolt gun rebarled to use it. I'm constantly looking for more of it. Niche product for sure

I got some from Rusty Dog in Pukekohe, grouped ok but no range to speak of. Was wanting something to lay the smack down on some peacocks. Ended up getting a 223
23-10-2016, 09:46 PM
gadgetman

I've come across this gay 277-06 stuff of that counts. ;)
24-10-2016, 11:14 AM
tommygun

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

I've come across this gay 277-06 stuff of that counts. ;)

Hmmmmmmm, is that like the 6.8x63mm?
24-10-2016, 01:10 PM
gadgetman

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Originally Posted by tommygun

Hmmmmmmm, is that like the 6.8x63mm?

Think more along the lines of the Toby rifle. ;)
24-10-2016, 03:34 PM
zimmer

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Get that one up ya....

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24-10-2016, 04:10 PM
Tommy

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Originally Posted by res

Shoots ok out of 1/2 my AR's and I had a bolt gun rebarled to use it. I'm constantly looking for more of it. Niche product for sure

Bought a pile off a guy a while ago, seems to all be the same, but three different sorts of packaging. Got 600 odd, but would buy any I came across too tbh. Close range on possums they just plop out of the tree like a furry vending machine :XD:

Sure is odd looking stuff though. My marlin 795 stabilises it, but cycles it poorly after a mag or two as it gums up the action and the 795 likes clean undies. Brno mod 2 shoots it well enough, cycles fine being a bolt action. Brno 581 shoots accurately out to 50m, but have to single feed it, think the 581 has quite a heavy bolt or some such. It comes in a very very nifty box, great for fumbling around in the dark but no squishing in your pocket.

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24-10-2016, 05:46 PM
res

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Bought a pile off a guy a while ago, seems to all be the same, but three different sorts of packaging. Got 600 odd, but would buy any I came across too tbh. Close range on possums they just plop out of the tree like a furry vending machine :XD:

Sure is odd looking stuff though. My marlin 795 stabilises it, but cycles it poorly after a mag or two as it gums up the action and the 795 likes clean undies. Brno mod 2 shoots it well enough, cycles fine being a bolt action. Brno 581 shoots accurately out to 50m, but have to single feed it, think the 581 has quite a heavy bolt or some such. It comes in a very very nifty box, great for fumbling around in the dark but no squishing in your pocket.

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With a bolt gun, a dialable scope and a drop chart you can ear shoot goats to a surprising distance. 20" barrel and Maximus .22 mag can and it's soooooo sneeky. Ideal for reducing the amount of land that has to be closed when doing pest control.

I would buy 10k+ if another shipment came in, even though I don't use much of it per year even when I'm in NZ
24-10-2016, 08:02 PM
fernleaf

Explosive .303 unusual enough?

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse4895517.jpg

Its the bottom one - the other is Armour Piercing.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscf882715.jpg

Both are Japanese 7.7x56R Type 92, used by the Japanese Navy in their Lewis guns...
24-10-2016, 08:54 PM
Beaker

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Originally Posted by fernleaf

Explosive .303 unusual enough?

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse4895517.jpg

Its the bottom one - the other is Armour Piercing.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...pscf882715.jpg

Both are Japanese 7.7x56R Type 92, used by the Japanese Navy in their Lewis guns...

Arse puckering on firing? :)

And any vids of the result? ( target area not arse...)
24-10-2016, 09:26 PM
res

That's very cool!
24-10-2016, 11:04 PM
Shahin

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommygun

I found out recently that Winchester makes subsonic .22 magnum ammo. Why, I'm not quite sure, but we even had a couple of bricks at work, a pest control guy bought it, I'm guessing just to deal with bunnies etc up close quietly with the same rifle he uses for longer range high velocity shots. Another thing is CCI 'Quiet' ammo, it runs at just 710 fps and won't cycle a semi, they also do a 'Suppressor' ammo, which will, both of which are quieter than the regular CCI subs. I just tried some of the 'Quiet' stuff today alongside regular CCI subs and man is it quiet, makes the normal subsonic sound sound like high velocity by comparison. Anyone else come across weird factory ammo?

Mate I've shot the cci quiet ammo for a few years now and there are a couple of varieties, such as segmented quiet and standard quiet. Both are amazing. About 4 months ago I shot a hare at 90 metres with the standard quiet ammo in my toz 78... at a velocity of 710 fps I was bloody impressed it dropped on the spot. Easily recommend for any one needing/wanting quieter rounds when around neighbours, animals or just in general.
25-10-2016, 11:45 AM
Rock river arms hunter

22lr Israeli tracer ammunition....

Not to be used in a semi! But in a bolt gun that's not worth much definitely a go, it has the same trajectory of the tank guns(unsure which one) and is a insert used for training purposes by the Israeli defence force.... like Star Wars but in real life, not every one works but when they do their fun as hell!
25-10-2016, 02:05 PM
res

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Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

22lr Israeli tracer ammunition....

Not to be used in a semi! But in a bolt gun that's not worth much definitely a go, it has the same trajectory of the tank guns(unsure which one) and is a insert used for training purposes by the Israeli defence force.... like Star Wars but in real life, not every one works but when they do their fun as hell!

Why do you say not to be used in a semi? I have used both the Israeli stuff and elly tracers in semis before with no apparent issues
25-10-2016, 02:34 PM
tommygun

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Originally Posted by zimmer

Get that one up ya....

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Is that one of those 7.92x99 (or something) German anti-tank ones? Like a .50BMG necked down to 8mm, pretty insane.

Tried the Quiets at 100m, the time it takes from the 'ting' of hitting a plate to get back to you is just plain funny. About 100 rounds and no issues with bullets sticking but I'll be mindful of it.
25-10-2016, 02:39 PM
tommygun

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

Think more along the lines of the Toby rifle. ;)

Yeah that's what I was hinting at, I guess its technically 7.04x63mm =)
25-10-2016, 03:50 PM
Miami_JBT

Winchester headstamp, definitely reloads, and I have 19 of 'em. Got them from a friend cleaning out his ammo cans and he ran across them. He's never had anything in 7.62x39mm and he doesn't remember where he got these.

http://i.imgur.com/vUJk654.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1NSAG9d.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZOzgw2w.jpg
25-10-2016, 05:16 PM
tommygun

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Originally Posted by Miami_JBT

Winchester headstamp, definitely reloads, and I have 19 of 'em. Got them from a friend cleaning out his ammo cans and he ran across them. He's never had anything in 7.62x39mm and he doesn't remember where he got these.

http://i.imgur.com/vUJk654.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1NSAG9d.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZOzgw2w.jpg

Looks like someone's loaded 5.56 Sabots for .308 into 7.62x39?
25-10-2016, 08:26 PM
Rock river arms hunter

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Originally Posted by res

Why do you say not to be used in a semi? I have used both the Israeli stuff and elly tracers in semis before with no apparent issues

A good mate had one in his upper fire out of battery with the bolt not fully engaged forward which put the shits up
25-10-2016, 10:35 PM
res

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

A good mate had one in his upper fire out of battery with the bolt not fully engaged forward which put the shits up

have had that happen with other ammo once in a gervarm and completly understand how it would put the shits up someone
27-10-2016, 09:29 PM
Rock river arms hunter

Quote:

Originally Posted by res

have had that happen with other ammo once in a gervarm and completly understand how it would put the shits up someone

I wasn't present at the time but yea I would take the same course of action as my mate.

Cheers Res. I can't clarify if the ammunition is for a 105 or a 125mm for trajectory being identical.... you probably know by the sounds!
27-10-2016, 09:33 PM
res

I wouldn't have a clue sorry
29-10-2016, 10:33 PM
ZG47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Tried a packet of them, 22short case with a big arse bullet, could only hit the side of a barn at 10 yards travelling sideways
Quiet and slow but needed a faster twist.

Had some, useful slightly further out as I recall BUT twist was apparently only half the story. John Herbert told me that he had visited the Aguila plant and they were using the .22 Short line to make the 60gr .22lr ammo. Consequently, some of the propellant was being shaken out of the cases before the bullets were inserted!
30-10-2016, 06:12 AM
ChrisF

Using the 22 shot brass case , was more image/hype than a good logical choice ( also the vel was a bit lower than it could have been & been still subsonic ) , they should have used a std 22 lr case , and in reguards bullet weight stayed to 48gr ( which would have stabilised in normal rimfire twists , would have been awesome .
30-10-2016, 08:02 PM
300CALMAN

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Originally Posted by Miami_JBT

Winchester headstamp, definitely reloads, and I have 19 of 'em. Got them from a friend cleaning out his ammo cans and he ran across them. He's never had anything in 7.62x39mm and he doesn't remember where he got these.

They were called accelerators here. I still have a bunch somewhere. These look like they have an ap 5.56 projectile. You can shoot them out of any .30 cal. Apparently you can get stupid velocities out of .300 win mag. Must give them another go. PS don't shoot through a suppressor.
30-10-2016, 11:18 PM
300CALMAN

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.303/25 and a 22/30 sabot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Accelerator

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