What 6.5?

Couple years ago I bought two Thompson Center Icons in .30TC. I got them for a great price from one of the on-line wholesalers because the .30TC was a dismal failure and weren't selling. Thompson Center has discontinued the Icon too. I have another Icon in 7mm-08 and love it. I bought the 30TCs because I figure they would be great to re barrel into something else later. Later has arrived. These actions are dbm, triangle shaped, flat on the bottom, have a solid recoil lug and use a three locking lug bolt and a Sako type extractor. They also have to scope rails machined into the top of the receivers. The stocks are nice too with an aluminum bedding block. Trigger is adjustable with almost no creep. It's a good thing since there are almost no aftermarket parts for these rifles.

I've decided that I need (want) a long range coyote and target rifle in 6.5 of some sort. My local range is only 400 yards long but once in a while I coyote hunt some pastures that are around 600 yards wide. Anyway, let's say 600 yards is the max I'll be shooting. I don't want a barrel burner so 6.5X284 and .264 mag are out.

I've spent the last several days comparing .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5X47 Lapua. As far as I can tell, there is so little difference between the three that it's a toss up. Any input? Lapua makes brass for the 6.5X47 and .260, Hornady and Nosler make brass for the Creedmoor. As far as I have been able to research the bolt face on my Icon will work with any of them. .30TC is same as .308 family. Do any of these have an accuracy advantage over the others all things being equal? I'm less concerned with velocity, I won't be shooting at 1000 yards or anything.

Thanx Yall

Yep your right the bolt facing for those suggested are the same, as for what shoots better than the other we could spend all night going over the idiosyncrasies of each and achieve nothing.
I have spent allot of time this year going over the 3 cal's you speak of, quite a few hours of research opinions and wading though bullshit.
.260 and creedmoor are nearly the same but, now this is my opion based on research and a couple of test fires, creedmoor is better.
Creedmoor I believe, for the budget concerned, is cheaper to run than .260 hornady ammo off the shelf for creed is good stuff.

Now this is only my opionion and there are prob better educated ones out there, im willing to be schooled if you think im wrong :cool:

Here a link you may or may not have seen. 6.5mm Shootout: .260 Remington vs. 6.5x47 Lapua vs. 6.5 Creedmoor

And they're all very good I'm sure, but why overlook that old chestnut, the darling of the plains, the 6.5 x 55.

Norma brass, and all that 6.5 goodness.

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6.5 Ai!

Go for the 6.5 Creedmore, being shorter you will be able to get a better COAL with a 140 to suit a magazine.

Hornady make great brass for it, Norma does as well.

As mentioned Hornady makes great factory ammo for the Creedmore.

Been doing the same myself, and it seems have got to the final decision and am now putting it all in place... Mine is based on a Ruger LA and the change will be from .270 to a .264Win Mag, about as good as it gets in 6.5, and being better metals these day should last me out, not doing 1000's of rounds, classic cal. capable of throwing 142g Nosler Accubonds down range at a little over 3000fps (maybe a bit more) with a BC .719... and 120g at over 3300fps...

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Been doing the same myself, and it seems have got to the final decision and am now putting it all in place... Mine is based on a Ruger LA and the change will be from .270 to a .264Win Mag, about as good as it gets in 6.5, and being better metals these day should last me out, not doing 1000's of rounds, classic cal. capable of throwing 142g Nosler Accubonds down range at a little over 3000fps (maybe a bit more) with a BC .719... and 120g at over 3300fps...

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That's all very well but you still need to shoot something with it. :D

I have a 6.5AI, half way thru its barrel life @ 600 rounds :O_O: and a 6.5x47L. Both are extremely accurate with the Lapua superior. If I had your options I would be tempted to give the nod towards the 260, an underrated cartridge. If you want something with the bling factor go the Creedmore. One of its advantages Kiwi Gregg has pointed out. I haven't read the 6.5 Shoot Out for a while but if I remember there was no utter winner. I presume you are State Side and your brass costs may differ to ours but the 6.5x47L Lapua brass is immensely expensive here in NZ and sometimes there are supply issues. I guess Creedmore should be easily obtainable for you and 260 very easy to get. My 6.5x47L is an F Class rifle so I just took the brass cost on the chin in order to achieve a desired outcome. Load development for the Lapua was one of the simplest I have ever experienced. I shoot mainly 130gr projectiles but have a supply of 123gr as well.

Yep, I would be going either the 6.5x47L or .260Rem based entirely on the availability of quality components i.e. Lapua cases.

Or if you don't mind a little more work get a 6.5SLR

If you're after raw accuracy and pretty much a guaranteed result with no shagging about, the Lapua version is hard to beat. Maybe not ideal if you want a slick feeding repeater but a single stack mag system would def work. No prob for the OP as it's a single shot.

My son has a .260 and its accuracy is pretty acceptable but def not in the same class as my 47 single shot.

from what I've read, that particular round is pretty tough on barrels. Also, I'm not sure it will work in short actions with heavy bullets. I'd like to shoot 140 gr VLDs.

Im shooting a remington model 7 in 260, great little round it is superbly accurate. My favourite loads are a 139gr Lapua scenar doing 2790fps, and 120gr Amax doing 2840 fps. Factory ammunition is very hard to come by (here in NZ) but brass is easy to find from Lapua, Hornady, and Remington.

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from what I've read, that particular round is pretty tough on barrels. Also, I'm not sure it will work in short actions with heavy bullets. I'd like to shoot 140 gr VLDs.

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6.5x47L?

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Im shooting a remington model 7 in 260, great little round it is superbly accurate. My favourite loads are a 139gr Lapua scenar doing 2790fps, and 120gr Amax doing 2840 fps. Factory ammunition is very hard to come by (here in NZ) but brass is easy to find from Lapua, Hornady, and Remington.

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What powder have you found best in the .260

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Couple years ago I bought two Thompson Center Icons in .30TC. I got them for a great price from one of the on-line wholesalers because the .30TC was a dismal failure and weren't selling. Thompson Center has discontinued the Icon too. I have another Icon in 7mm-08 and love it. I bought the 30TCs because I figure they would be great to re barrel into something else later. Later has arrived. These actions are dbm, triangle shaped, flat on the bottom, have a solid recoil lug and use a three locking lug bolt and a Sako type extractor. They also have to scope rails machined into the top of the receivers. The stocks are nice too with an aluminum bedding block. Trigger is adjustable with almost no creep. It's a good thing since there are almost no aftermarket parts for these rifles.

I've decided that I need (want) a long range coyote and target rifle in 6.5 of some sort. My local range is only 400 yards long but once in a while I coyote hunt some pastures that are around 600 yards wide. Anyway, let's say 600 yards is the max I'll be shooting. I don't want a barrel burner so 6.5X284 and .264 mag are out.

I've spent the last several days comparing .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5X47 Lapua. As far as I can tell, there is so little difference between the three that it's a toss up. Any input? Lapua makes brass for the 6.5X47 and .260, Hornady and Nosler make brass for the Creedmoor. As far as I have been able to research the bolt face on my Icon will work with any of them. .30TC is same as .308 family. Do any of these have an accuracy advantage over the others all things being equal? I'm less concerned with velocity, I won't be shooting at 1000 yards or anything.

Thanx Yall

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there is only one to consider 6.5/06 also known as 6.5 A Square

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What powder have you found best in the .260

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I like 2209 for anything over 130gr, 2208 for the lighter pills, can get my Scenar's going well with W760 also but have just stuck to the 2209 load as it's easier to get.

yep, 6.5x47L. what do you think?

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yep, 6.5x47L. what do you think?

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Not the best choice for 140s

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yep, 6.5x47L. what do you think?

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The barrel life of the 6.5L is very acceptable compared to many other chamberings. The general concensus is you can expect about 2500 rounds unless you run it really hot. One point worth remembering if you get one is the case can hide a lot of pressure. The small primer and thick base walls can handle a lot of pressure before the signs really show. Not smart ringing its neck with the cost of the brass.

Have to agree with KG on its marginal suitability for 140s- the boiler room is more suited to 130s or lighter. But it's a very efficient cartridge- mine with its 27" bbl drives the 123 Scenars at 2945 with just 38grs of 2208, and it's way off max. Those that insist on 140s tend to use 2209 (H4350).

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Not the best choice for 140s

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really sad to here this :(, can you recommend another for me?

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really sad to here this :https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/f15/what-6-5-a-24013-post419487/#post419487\" rel=\"nofollow\">

really sad to here this :(, can you recommend another for me?

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6.5 Creedmore or if mag length is generous 260 or 260 imp

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The barrel life of the 6.5L is very acceptable compared to many other chamberings. The general concensus is you can expect about 2500 rounds unless you run it really hot. One point worth remembering if you get one is the case can hide a lot of pressure. The small primer and thick base walls can handle a lot of pressure before the signs really show. Not smart ringing its neck with the cost of the brass.

Have to agree with KG on its marginal suitability for 140s- the boiler room is more suited to 130s or lighter. But it's a very efficient cartridge- mine with its 27" bbl drives the 123 Scenars at 2945 with just 38grs of 2208, and it's way off max. Those that insist on 140s tend to use 2209 (H4350).

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6.5x47L was developed by Lapua as a specialised 300m cartridge. One of their aims was to have a barrel life which exceeded the 6mmBR. The 6mmBR can be good for 3000+ b4 pristine accuracy drops. Re projectile choices - one of the best F Class shooters in NZ very successfully shot 139gr Scenars. I use 130gr Bergers max. I believe if you wish to drive 139/140gr in the Lapua you have chosen the wrong case. If wanting good to hottish 140gr performance that is the domain of the 6.5AI, 6.5/284 (along with their v short barrel live). My Lapua is throated for the 123gr Scenar. I have also successfully shot 123 A-Max which perform well but finally settled on 130gr Berger which is a v compromise. Best accuracy by far is with the 130gr Berger.
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@6x47 as your monikar suggests, are you shooting a 6x47L?

Have both :thumbsup:

You could probably get 2800 with a 139 but that'd take something like a 30" bbl/warm load/ high energy powder

Some good info http://www.accurateshooter.com/featured/65x47/

@6x47 I shouldn't be diverting this thread but I intend getting a 6mmBR barrel I have which is at 1/2 life taken up and re-chambered in 6-6.5x47L.
I have sufficient dies using my 6.5x47L dies to get going, although I have also acquired a Forster FLS die and have started forming some brass. What weight projectiles are u using and what sort of velocity?

If you've got a 6x47 body die, you don't need the Forster FL to take the parent down. Just a pass thru the body die then your main dies take over.

I'm currently loading 38.6 of 2209 behind the 105 Scenar at just on 3K. They easily go faster but seem most accurate there. As has been pointed out, a Dasher will basically do this. Seems you've got to go right up to the big boys, eg 6x284 to really better this.

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If you've got a 6x47 body die, you don't need the Forster FL to take the parent down. Just a pass thru the body die then your main dies take over.

I'm currently loading 38.6 of 2209 behind the 105 Scenar at just on 3K. They easily go faster but seem most accurate there. As has been pointed out, a Dasher will basically do this. Seems you've got to go right up to the big boys, eg 6x284 to really better this.

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Thanks for that. No 6x47 body die only a 6.5x47 BD and the rest of my 6.5 dies are Wilson. Picked up the FLS Forster off am mate. Not the sort of die I would normally own as everything else I load I use Redding BDs. Considered a Dasher but just wanted something for a bit of fun and have good quantity of 6.5x47L brass that I can convert. Plus access to a 6x47L reamer.

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Yep,
A 7x52mm pushes 140 grainers at 3200 fps easily, 3000fps with a 16 inch tube.




16 inch

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Factory length in Kawekas
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thank, i will test with this, i will update in this topic :D