Thread: What is the "juice" of the 22 Creedmoor

Now I might just be a very simple low IQ tradie, but I'm just wondering what the hype is about the 22cm & why are there so many wanking emselves silly over it ?

From whet I gather everyone is running "big slippery" 80 -88's @ an ok speed but what are you using it for ?
If I wanted a mean varmint cannon wouldn't a really fast 55 be better for splat factor or is it a medium beastie killer ?

Te reason I ask is that I have contemplations about re-barreling my 6.5 to one & jump on the "fun bus" as it seems to have the coolest kids on it, but then I ran the numbers & spending 4k plus seems rather stupid even by my dumb arse standards as from my very basic number crunching theres fuk all improvement from my 6.5 gaymore with its mint shooting 123eldm's, yes it cheats the wind a little better n less dial but with our modern scopes not really an issue

Case in point with 100y zero


@ 300 yards

22cm 88's @ 3200fps - Energy = 1397 Elev = 2.84 moa Wind @ 12mph 1.83 moa

6.5 123's @ 2940fps .................. 1574 ........... 3.64 moa ...................... 2.27 moa






@ 500 yards

22cm 88's @ 3200fps - Energy = 1079 Elev = 7.15 moa Wind @ 12mph 3.22 moa

6.5 123's @ 2940fps ................. 1176.................. 9.02 moa ................ 4.01 moa



Then go out to 800yards

22cm 88's @ 3200fps - Energy = 711 Elev = 15.53 moa Wind @ 12mph 5.67 moa

6.5 123's @ 2940fps ............... 728 .............. 19.77 moa .................... 7.15 moa





Thought's please & yes I realise I'm about to get ran over by everyone on the fun bus but looking at those numbers you'll just bounce off hahahaha fym

Phil, put your hand back on your own one . . . Stop trying to pull other peoples!

In the wind the 88s are a huge step up over anything a 223 can throw, run your numbers again against a 223 with 55s. No doubting that with slippery bigger bullets the comparison pales

Yeah but you'll not answering the question



If I wanna cheap varmint rig , yup 50's outta a 223 boomfa , so what 's the point of the 22cm ?

Dunno. I wouldn't bother

Blasphemer, stone him now .
But really I'm with you. I've been playing with a gateway drug (22-250) to the 22CM and though I can see the use of it, it wouldn't add up if I had to rebarrel to make it happen.

For a low IQ tradie you are making a lot of sense Phil.
I don't see the point, but then I run a Swift.
Everyone wanks on about the Swift being retarded due to factory rifle twists that won't run their pet projectiles.
Then they rebarrel a different caliber with the twist that runs their pet projectile and blow arse about how good it is.
If they twisted up a Swift the same way it would hold its own.

Looks good for deer at 800 from them numbers you've put up...

What I can't quite fathom is why a 22CM AND a 6mmCM by my rule of thumb its the same calibre basically

So your numbers show its better in the wind has less drop and holds the velocity required for a bullet to open further and does so with cheaper projectiles and less recoil.

Its a anything we have in NZ killer as is a 223.

Functionally most of the 308 based cases are so close theres minimal gain or loss to be had but why put up with more recoil. Its not going to do anything a 6.5 isn't going to do except it might do it a smidge further with a little more margin in the wind and a smidge less recoil.

Like all new options they are much a muchness and differences mostly come from the available bullet options.

What I can't understand is why Phil bothers with a 6.5 CM. My 17" 308 with common old 155s (correct me if I'm wrong but I think Phil has something similar) at 470M has about the same numbers as his 6.5 at 500Y, certainly within the range of comparison he makes between the 6.5CM and 22 CM.

Phil you need to quit your 6.5, it's farken redundant!

PS - couldn't be buggered looking for all the numbers.

Originally Posted by Stocky

So your numbers show its better in the wind has less drop and holds the velocity required for a bullet to open further and does so with cheaper projectiles and less recoil.

Its a anything we have in NZ killer as is a 223.

Functionally most of the 308 based cases are so close theres minimal gain or loss to be had but why put up with more recoil. Its not going to do anything a 6.5 isn't going to do except it might do it a smidge further with a little more margin in the wind and a smidge less recoil.

Like all new options they are much a muchness and differences mostly come from the available bullet options.

A gamechanger for my mate was to switch from 150's in the 308 to 110gr TTSX. No recoil and death at the end.*In the 1970's the 308 all seemed to use 180gr .

Always good to have something new for a circle jerk

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

For a low IQ tradie you are making a lot of sense Phil.
I don't see the point, but then I run a Swift.
Everyone wanks on about the Swift being retarded due to factory rifle twists that won't run their pet projectiles.
Then they rebarrel a different caliber with the twist that runs their pet projectile and blow arse about how good it is.
If they twisted up a Swift the same way it would hold its own.

thats getting old school....about as old as the dude who kept harping on about .270 in of the yankee hunting mags, name escapes me at moment

Blasphemer of the name of Jack O'Connor you shall roast in hell 😁
Oldies are still goodies but marketing demands newer betterer to make sales even if the new shiney thing isn't much different

Sleep easy phil, the targets and game are safe from you with either caliber