Thread: Whats Happening in the Scope Manufacturing World .... ?

Originally Posted by 30.06king

@whanahuia
Great comments. Yes, young and poor, I remember, and glad I'm no longer there. These days I'm old, and still poor cos I keep buying hunting / handloading stuff - haha
I really like those Swaro Z3 scopes too. I now have several, all but one with ballistic reticles. Find once my rifles are set up I can be pretty good at game shots out to 400 yds with a well rested rifle. The Swaro glass quality is tops.

exactly! And relatively speaking their price in relation to that of a rifle has dropped. It used to be that one of those was more than the cost of the rifle it was going on.

Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

I'd add to that, that you can mount a 1" scope lower to the barrel, especially when the scope has 32mm to 40mm objective. Modern high magnification scopes almost all need a decent comb or even a cheek riser to give proper cheek weld and eye position.

That's a stock issue which is easily remedied with pipe insulation cut in half and some tape.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

Ahh to be young and poor again. We made do aye. Shin Han was my first scope, tasco and Niko Sterling were slight steps up. My first Leupold a basic 3-9. Great scope, the thin nature of the tube at the rear made the scope edges all but disappear when focussed, which was absolutely great for running shots with both eyes open. But man, get your eye relief wrong and they cut like a knife!

There has been some great improvements in scopes over the last 20 years. But.... I guess I sound like a broken record at times. One hell of a lot is marketing convincing people they need stuff, when the reality is the majority do not need the added features.

especially this is for guys starting out. The number of people I took hunting who had just bought their first rifle, and the shop had sold them a large scope with dials and stops etc, yet their hunting was going to be predominantly North Island hill country and bush fringe where shots really were not going to be over 300 meters.

This,
https://www.riverstoranges.co.nz/pro...ki-z3-3-10x42/

Is all the scope most people will need, and its dollars spent in all the right places that will achieve results in almost all hunting situations. Just choose your reticle and go.

Yeah …. And that thinking is kinda what gave rise to my question ….. cos it seems even Swarovski have ‘skinnied’ down their Z3 range, and availability of what remains seems limited?

Originally Posted by caberslash

That's a stock issue which is easily remedied with pipe insulation cut in half and some tape.

add some #8 wire for the real experience.

Originally Posted by Maxx

Yeah …. And that thinking is kinda what gave rise to my question ….. cos it seems even Swarovski have ‘skinnied’ down their Z3 range, and availability of what remains seems limited?

Because the z5 equivalent is about 800 dollars more.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

Because the z5 equivalent is about 800 dollars more.

The Z3 is assembled in the US the rest of the swaro range is made in Austria.

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Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

I'd add to that, that you can mount a 1" scope lower to the barrel, especially when the scope has 32mm to 40mm objective. Modern high magnification scopes almost all need a decent comb or even a cheek riser to give proper cheek weld and eye position.

No center of tube to outside of objective remains

Originally Posted by Kelton

No center of tube to outside of objective remains

This, only tying affecting the height of your scope is the objective lense.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

This, only tying affecting the height of your scope is the objective lense.

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Or the availability of certain ring heights in your scope tube diameter. Lower rings are less available in 34mm than 30mm.

30mm has millions of low options though

Originally Posted by gimp

Or the availability of certain ring heights in your scope tube diameter. Lower rings are less available in 34mm than 30mm.

30mm has millions of low options though

Thats true, doesn't seem many years ago it was hard to to find 30mm rings, Im sure 34mm rings will follow suit ?

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On the wider issue of where a lot of my comments are coming from. This guy spells it out really well in the first 5 minutes. I havnt watched all the vid, but the realistic truth of what does and should influence purchases. Versus the marketing that pushes something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65p4t1npxoI

Originally Posted by whanahuia

On the wider issue of where a lot of my comments are coming from. This guy spells it out really well in the first 5 minutes. I havnt watched all the vid, but the realistic truth of what does and should influence purchases. Versus the marketing that pushes something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65p4t1npxoI

I only watched the first 5 minutes of that video. 5 minutes of my life I won't get back.

Originally Posted by Shearer

I only watched the first 5 minutes of that video. 5 minutes of my life I won't get back.

Im not sure even he new what he was trying to say.

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Its quite simple really.

What hes saying is he has a big following because hes in the same situation as most hunters, In that hes not sponsored, or wealthy, and his other life choices like family come before expensive guns or scopes. So thats the people he reviews and makes videos for.

And I agree. Most of the time we see the shooting influencer, magazines, tv shows etc pushing the state of the art, top end, newest product. When a bit more realism is required.

He is not advocating anything apart from saying people spend within their budget, which is what we all do anyway isn't it?