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That was disappointing John,
If I had a rifle as nice as that I wouldg be breaking my neck to get out in the bush with it, some of the less aggressive areas mind.
GPM.
Disappointing? I will be taking this one - I was asking who else will be taking theirs....I know there are people on here who have them. I am going to drag her through hell in search of the biggest stag on earth. A stag of legend. Of mythic status. And then I am going to shoot it with a 286 grain round nose bullet.
I shot a big spiker with mine five or six years ago. Bullet went behind ribs on the left side , clipped the heard and out on the front of the right shoulder. Because I shot while he was jumping away , his muscles sealed back the holes and there was never any drop of blood to be found. He traveled 30 m before collapsing.
Neat one, even though ive only fired a few shots from a 9.3 its a favorite of mine.
This roar i will be shooting a 338/06 imp. Last week two critters died from a 250gr partition
Nice. My friend has a .338-06 and I shot it a bit. He shot a very good stag with one. I always thought of getting one done, then I wanted to go up to a .35 Whelen and found someone who had a reamer, then I discovered the 9.3x62 and I just had to have one.
Mine went out last year but we encountered nothing. We may try again this year on one trip to a spot where last year a mate got an 8 pointer with his 16 gauge.
I feel inadequate, x57 seems so much smaller.
But, I hear it is how you use it....
If I had one I'd give it crack, but man, carting the bloody base plate around everywhere would get old. :)
Greetings,Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
I was refering to the disappointing responce to your post, now rectified.
GPM.
Mine is a x57, more than enough to take any close roaring stag.
I would dearly like one of those graceful little Husqvarna 146's in 9.3x57, and hopefully I could still shoot it with open sights. But they never come up at the same time I have rifle money.
@JohnDuxbury
I have one
You'd hate it
It's all pointy and bangy and stuff
But it goes well....I mean horribly
You'd hate it
I meant 9.3x57....Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
What sort of bolt do you need?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Hi all
This thread has just pushed me to decide to take my Husky 9.3x57 in on our annual roar trip to the Kawekas in April. It is still open sights and will use for bush hunting and splitting firewood. I will also have the 284 Win as well for the more open areas. Will report back the results, I once waited for 20 odd minutes to get three goats lined up at about 40m, and the bullet (286 Lapua) went through all three and displaced a respectable divot, the goats all got wobbly and fell over within a few metres. This would most likely be unethical to some. but saved on projectiles and provided a conclusion to a scientific experiment about the properties of the projectile.
Cheers
Ruger7mm
Good man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruger7mm
Just for reference, because theres not as much around about the 9.3x62 as other cartridges, this is what I have found: (all chronographed with tested and accurate chrony) in a Husqvarna model 1640 with a 24 inch barrel.
286 grain PPU - at the muzzle:
67 grains 2209 = 2405 fps
57.5 grains 2206H = 2381 fps
57.5 grains IMR4320 = 2232 fps
48.0 grains 2207 = 2216 fps
All are max loads (Over max for the 2206 load), but I consider it a 60Kpsi cartridge, unlike the books which hold it lower.
All of them except for the 2207 load generate stout recoil. Actually to be honest it kicks like a draft horse. She hits you like heartache. She kicks like you owe her money. She kicks like something out of a fucking fairy tale.
Bit like my 300 Rum and 338 Win Mag, they like to give you a good jolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
rumour has it...back in bad old days they lined up prisoners and did same with .45/70 !!!!!! goats are minor sin by comparison...best I did was two headshot with single 30/30 round while leaning on top of dog kennel....close dog tucker doesnt come easier than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruger7mm
In my 9.3x62 57gr 2208 and a 286gr prvi have 2283fps.
Stug I have seen you Mauser Obendorf on old posts here and there, and much admire it. Did you get any stories of its life in Rhodesia?Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Not a huge amount. @Tentman knows more of the stories he bought it from the Rhodesian owners.
Hi all
This has got me all keen, so I had a look in the projectile locker and found some Speer 270 Hotcor which I forgot I had so I think they might perform better on a super sneaky sika than the Lapua 286. Do any of you guys use the Speer 260 and if so any good loads you would like to share. I use 2208 with the Lapua, however have a good selection of powders if there are other recipes out there. I read an american thread that was saying they could shoot moose out to 300 yards with a 9.3x57 and the Speer 260, not sure I am that good with open sights, although I was pretty good with mortars in the army and managed to regularly hit the old water tanks that were targets. Look forward to your advice and will post a pic of the Husky soon. Cheers Ruger7mm
What brass are you using for the 2209 , I have to long drop to get 65.3 in and 286gr hornady loaded on top is pretty crunchy and I often seat twice. Oal 3.27 but I use .37 comparator at 2.627/8Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
I'd like to use 2208 but currently don't have enough to run another calibre with it , should have more coming before long hopefully.
I'm using Lapua brass
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Originally Posted by jakewire
I am using Graf's brass, which is PPU made. SO you could buy some factory from Gunworks, and it would be the same brass.
I can get 67 grains of 2209 in if I trickle it in, it comes up to halfway up the case neck. Bit more than that maybe. I am not afraid of standing on a load compression-wise, the only thing is if the bullet stays put overnight. (Some people think theres something "wrong" with heavily compressed loads, but often compressed loads will be more accurate. Sometimes anyway.)
I have tried two different bullets with the 2209 load, the Norma Oryx 285g and the Prvi PArtisan 286 grain. The difference between them is the PPU bullet is a proper round nose, so it has a bit shorter over all length compared to the Oryx which is more pointed.
Because the Hornady 286 grain is a proper spitzer, so will be a longer bullet, so you're doing more compressing than me, and I think I am loading them seated out more than you too.
I can seat round nose bullets out to 3.360 and still get them in the magazine of the rifle (Cant find the lands in this rifle, and still fit into the magazine.) With spitzer bullets like the 250 Accubond, I can seat them out to 3.380 and still feed - the sharper point doesn't hang up in the mag. I would expect your rifle will be the same?
Anyway, with the 286 g PPU bullet, I crushed the powder down and seat them to 3.360 all in one go, no need to be delicate about it, and the bullet stays where I put it. I measured it a few times at night and then in the morning and all good. I did the same thing and the Oryx bullets (which had a bit more compression remember because they are a little bit longer) they all grew overnight by .008 at least. I still shot them for a test, but will not use them with that load.
I have tried 2208 with 57.5g and a 286 grain bullet and also 60.5 grains with the 250 Accubond and it shot particularly well with the last, but I ran out of 2208 before I could chronograph anything, and have none left.
Out of interest, for extra brass I have run the experiment of turning .30/06 LC69 military into 9.3x62, loading it with AP70N and some Semolina and tissue paper to fire form them (have to shoot them straight up mind) Then I full length size the cases as normal.
They seem to be the same size internally as PPU (at least the 2209 load comes up to the same place in the neck) and the thickness of the brass at the case mouth is exactly the same as the Graf/PPU brass as well. (I thought it might get thicker. It does not.)
.30/06 military is supposedly thicker and less capacity than normal factory .30/06, so may be different if I used some of the commercial .30/06 brass I have here. I used the military because it doesnt say .30/06 on the headstamp, which I thought would be, well, better.) At least I know I can make 9.3x62 very easily if I want to.
I am turning in to a 9.3 junkie. Havn't had this much fun reloading a cartridge for ages.
@Ruger7mm Check out his old thread https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....8/index17.html post number #247 has some pics of sectioned projectiles. The speer 270HC has one of the thinner jackets.
Hi Stug
Thanks for that, will provide some good reading I am sure. Just checked the serial number and my shooter was born in 1932, so an old girl with heaps of life left in her. Just can't wait for our trip into sika country only 31 sleeps to go. Will keep you posted, I think I'll use 2206H as there are a few loads for H4895 that are close, and see what happens.
Cheers Ruger7mm
Hi all, for those interested in mature rifles, this one is 90 years old this year. Attachment 192541
Greetings @Ruger7mm,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruger7mm
I had a look through my banana box filing system for Handloader and in No 125 Jan Feb 1987 and found an article by Dieter Sturm. He regarded 46 grains of IMR4895 with the Speer 270 grain as a good hunting load. This chronographed 2,145 fps in his Model 146 with a 24 3/4 inch barrel. This is likely similar to factory loads and may even shoot close to the sights. AR2206H would be close to IMR4895 and a little slower than AR2208.
Regards Grandpamac.
Hi GPM
Thanks for the advice, I have both powders and use 2208 with the Lapua 286 for about 2150 fps, I am going to use 2206H (which I have plenty of) to try and replicate the load you have found, start at 45.5 and work up. Hope to get some loading done this afternoon and off to the range to check. I read on an US forum that the 9.3x57 is regarded capable out to 300 yds for large game such as elk etc, I won't be going that far, however this has really got me interested in getting the open sights and an old a reliable cartridge back in action.
Greetings,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruger7mm
I gather that the 9.3x62 came out not long after the 9.3x57 and was expected to replace it but the Scandinavians had other ideas feeling that it was plenty for their needs. There are not many small deer in those countries.
GPM.
The 9.3x57 and the 9.3x62 were popular original German Mauser inventions. The 8x57 was illgal in Europe for a time after WW1 hence the necked up 9x57 and the survival of the 9.3x57. The 9.3x62 became a much more popular international cartridge, much like the British .318 Express. The .318 was a standard for the British Empire (Eddie Herrick killed his Fiordland moose with one) and the 9.3x62 did the same for everyone else - including the British Empire as well. You could buy 9.3 Mauser ammo in every country in Europe and Africa, in everyone's colonies. It was like the .375 H&H of its day.
The only thing that did away with it was the rise of American international hunters, who never heard of it, and the minimum caliber standards in Africa that came into law, which outlawed anything under .375 for the dangerous game of Africa. Combine that with the availability of cheap Winchester model 70's in .375 H&H, Kyoch stopping production of their big game safari cartridges, DWM and RWS having been bombed flat - and so the 9.3x62 faded off in the 1960's......except for in Scandinavia.
It is interesting that corner of the world preserved not only the old Mauser cartridges, but also the old style class of Mauser rifles - all the Husqvarna rifles up until the 1640 are clones of the Mauser offerings from pre WW2. (Except for the use of Model 96 action in some early models.) When Mauser sporting rifles ceased due to the bombing of the factory in WW2, the Swedish people at Husqvarna thought they would simply carry on making them. Even down to the stock design and checkering (cheaper models having no checkering on the foreend etc.) Even the side safety the later rifles had was a Mauser feature they had already been offering in the 1930's. The model 46, the Model 640, even the 1600. It's like a little corner of the world where Mauser rifles still continued for another twenty five years after the war, and that preserved the old cartridges too, the 9x57, the 9.3x57 and the 9.3x62.
Hi JD
My Husky pictured has "9.3 Kal" stamped on the barrel, and there is no suffix numbers for length, and I just assumed it to be a 57, I then necked up 8x57 cases to take the 9.3 projectile. They work well. I guess we should be careful to not mix the 9 and the 9.3 versions?.
Re JohnDuxbury mention of the 8.57 above.
Interesting to note, for me anyway that the new Cz model 600 Lux is offered to Nz in 8.57 but not the 30 06,[ regardless of what current magazine adverts say] guess they will be able to sell every aught 6 they make in the USA for the time being,
It's a damn fine looking rifle.
https://www.czub.cz/firearms-and-pro...uct/cz-600-lux
Dayummm that is prettty :cool: :oQuote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
.30-06's are hard to sell in NZ. (I dont know that 8x57 would be any easier, but I would buy one. But then, I am the one buying .30/06's as well...)Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
But I would like one of those new CZs....
I wouldnt miss the CZ550. I have had two of them, and they are way too heavy and the too bulky around the action. My mannlicher stock version weighed 8.5 pounds without a scope.
I have a mate, whom you will no doubt get to meet JohnDuxbury as we are not too far away from you
He has the 550 in 375, a rifle which I have to admit, I am pleased about the weight,
Yes, something like that you would want the weight. (My last one was a 6.5x55 with a 20 inch barrel, so the weight was a bit over the top.)
