Why the 243 is ideal for the elderly

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Originally Posted by P38

I've lost count of how many animals I've taken with a .243over the last 30 years, including all the animals listed above that Spook has shot "At" ;)

IMO the .243 is superbly accurate in the hands of a competent marksman

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

It may say nzhuntingandshooting but its all fishnhunt underneath :)

Chris

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Originally Posted by crnkin

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It may say nzhuntingandshooting but its all fishnhunt underneath :)

Chris

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Some may think that, But they are mistaken

NZHS is a completely new beast & over the next few months Kiwi hunting & shooting enthuses will see why this is New Zealand's premier outdoor forum :)

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Originally Posted by crnkin

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It may say nzhuntingandshooting but its all fishnhunt underneath :)

Chris

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Like fuck. That would see me out the door real fast!

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Originally Posted by Spook

Plenty of deer, pig and goats have been shot "at" with 243

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Agreed, has a place for shooting smaller animals, but on larger deer not much of a margin for error if you get it slightly wrong like we all do at times.

Personally I like the better odds of putting meat in the fridge using a cartridge that has MAG stamped on the bottom :)

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Originally Posted by P38

I owned a Brno ZKK 601 in .243 for a decade or so.

Sold it in the mid 90's during a moment of insanity. This would be the only Rifle I have ever regretted parting with. :oh noes:

I used this rifle exclusivley for Goats and Deer and it never failed to do what I asked of it.

Looking back through my reloading records I came across a pet load for this Rifle.

AR2209/ Hornady 87gr SPBT/ 2900fps MV......

This load in this Rifle would knock a gnats knackers off while on the wing at 200m all day long with a huffing & puffing shakey old blind bugger yanking on the trigger while standing on slippery uneven ground facing into needle piercing driving rain with a howling cross wind buffeting the shit out of everything.

Thats why the mighty .243 Is Today, Has Always Been and Will Remain Forever "The Go To Calibre" when a man wants a job done in this world today.

You'll eventually learn and grow to accept this reality as you go through life Jake. ;)

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Where did you sell your 601?? I have one that I brought in the mid 90's in Napier, it was my first gun and I still have it, shot deer, pigs, thar, chamois with it

Used a .243 for years for both hunting and range competition work and it was very good for both. If you shoot accurately with this round the animals certainly do fall over.

IMHO its the 'shooting accurately' bit that usually gives more trouble than the bore size .... :)

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Originally Posted by hillclima

Where did you sell your 601?? I have one that I brought in the mid 90's in Napier, it was my first gun and I still have it, shot deer, pigs, thar, chamois with it

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Hillclima

Sold it to a mate who lives near Waverly, I believe she still has it too.

Cheers
Pete

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Originally Posted by crnkin

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It may say nzhuntingandshooting but its all fishnhunt underneath :)

Chris

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Whats your point Chris! :wut:

Pete

iInteresting thread. I've got a .243 as my only centrefire cal, and everything I shot with Corelokts keeled over pretty fast with massive internal damage. Everyone is entitled to their opinions; the world would be a boring place if we all shot with a Tikka 7-08! I love my .243 and wouldn't consider changing it, even if others reckon it's shit :) Tuiman, Baldbob and a heap of other peoples experiences with the EBRG are a pretty good indication of what the calibre is capable of.

.243 Winchester is a wonderful little cartridge. Probably the fastest quickest kills on red deer I ever had with that or the .25/06. Anyone who doubts its killing ability either can't shoot at all or suffers from some kind of mental defect. (This is not a guess; simply a statement of fact.)
I have some brass for one and will get another one one day. Only thing wrong with the last one I had was that it was a TIkka T3. (And boy do they suck. )

I love my Tikka(s)

There is no practical difference between any 08 cased round on reds. There is no such thing as inherent accuracy for hunting rifles, hence any calibre is superbly accurate in the hands of a competent marksman.

I love the .243 but more people hate 7mm08 so I bought one.

Chris

Your full of it Highway :D

Just the truth, mon ami.

CRKN, as for all '08 based cartridges having no practical difference...the .243 perfroms differently on deer than the .308, and the .260 again is different. If you mean they will all kill deer, then, well, yeah. As for all cartridges being supurbly acurate in the hands of a marksman....well, you will have to define spurb accuracy and then we can think about how small bore cartridges are statistically more accruate than larger bores and so forth and so on.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

Just the truth, mon ami.

CRKN, as for all '08 based cartridges having no practical difference...the .243 perfroms differently on deer than the .308, and the .260 again is different. If you mean they will all kill deer, then, well, yeah. As for all cartridges being supurbly acurate in the hands of a marksman....well, you will have to define spurb accuracy and then we can think about how small bore cartridges are statistically more accruate than larger bores and so forth and so on.

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I don't even know where to start....
All I can say is it's horses for courses.
Different bullet weights & construction make a massive difference to performance.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

.243 Winchester is a wonderful little cartridge. Probably the fastest quickest kills on red deer I ever had with that or the .25/06. Anyone who doubts its killing ability either can't shoot at all or suffers from some kind of mental defect. (This is not a guess; simply a statement of fact.)
I have some brass for one and will get another one one day. Only thing wrong with the last one I had was that it was a TIkka T3. (And boy do they suck. )

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Carlsen Highway

Welcome to the New forum. :thumbsup:

What took you so long getting here?

The only person I will even listen to about 'this calibre is shit/useless/whatever' is when they stand in front of one at 5m and let someone shoot them with it. If you think a calibre is 'useless' then stand in front of one and get shot by it. Otherwise it isn't 'useless'. It may not be as awesome as you are - lets face it who is?. The one thing I find shit is people 'bagging' a calibre because they deem it 'shit or useless'. If it's useless it has NO use, none. Therefore stand in front of the fucking thing and say it's useless after you've been shot with it.
I'm sick of the best calibre, what calibre is best bunch of fucking bollocks and I've only been hunting a few years. How you lot can harp on about it day in and day out defies belief. Either shut up about how useless a calibre is or prove how 'useless' it is by being shot with it.

I have a 7mm 08 apparently its a yuppie calibre, so I bought a .223 too :D

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Originally Posted by MEB

The only person I will even listen to about 'this calibre is shit/useless/whatever' is when they stand in front of one at 5m and let someone shoot them with it. If you think a calibre is 'useless' then stand in front of one and get shot by it. Otherwise it isn't 'useless'. It may not be as awesome as you are - lets face it who is?. The one thing I find shit is people 'bagging' a calibre because they deem it 'shit or useless'. If it's useless it has NO use, none. Therefore stand in front of the fucking thing and say it's useless after you've been shot with it.
I'm sick of the best calibre, what calibre is best bunch of fucking bollocks and I've only been hunting a few years. How you lot can harp on about it day in and day out defies belief. Either shut up about how useless a calibre is or prove how 'useless' it is by being shot with it.

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So... you deny that there are valid reasons to select one calibre over another?

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Originally Posted by gimp

So... you deny that there are valid reasons to select one calibre over another?

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Also, for my stance on "calibre arguments", please see my first post in this thread. It's done to death and I've got my own opinions (which are correct).

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Originally Posted by gimp

So... you deny that there are valid reasons to select one calibre over another?

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No Gimp, not at all. Exactly the opposite. Whatever calibre you choose for yourself is up to you. But to say a calibre is uselss indicates that you think it has no use. If your that convinced it has no use then be shot with one. Otherwise it has a use and by definition cannot be described as 'useless'.

...and of course your opinion is correct - It's your opinion. Same as mine is correct. You can disagree about my opinions or whoever's but you cannot say that they are wrong - they are an opinion.

I don't think that being shot with a certain calibre is very useful to me.

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Originally Posted by gimp

I don't think that being shot with a certain calibre is very useful to me.

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This actually applies to all calibres.

Which is why I find your input valid and interesting. As it's your opinion based on your experiences. If I disagree it doesn't mean I am wrong it simply means that my opinion, which is probably based on many different idea's than your own, just differs.

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Originally Posted by gimp

This actually applies to all calibres.

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I don't think being shot with anything would be particularly 'usefull'

Does that mean you won't shoot me?

Why is a calibre 'useless'? I don't think there are many that are useless. There are a lot that can be bettered by a different calibre perhaps. Like most cars are bettered by a different(more expensive) car. A 3 wheeled Robin Reliant will get you where you want to go, albeit rather scarily. Has a steering wheel, one less wheel than normal, is cheap to run and insure. But you wouldn't enter F1 with one. You can't say that the car is useless but you can say it could be massively improved upon.
If someone handed me a .243 and said shoot that deer there 50m away. I wouldn't say - no that is a useless calibre I would just shoot the bloody thing. if I didn't miss that is. But If someone handed me a .22lr and a rangefinder and said shoot that Elk at 950 yards then I would say a .22lr is useless for that.

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Originally Posted by gimp

Does that mean you won't shoot me?

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Just run off to past 100m and I'd miss :)

And besides - your far too 'usefull' to shoot :thumbsup:

Awww crap nothing says "you are wrong" more than a bunch of miscreant sycophants agreeing with you.I withdraw my previous comments and my monty python quote.Jakewire you are right I am wrong.The .243 is an Absolutley worthless Caliber.For my penance I will keep shooting this absolutley worthless caliber for the forseeable future and here by refer to it only as "the Awk".

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Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

I don't even know where to start....
All I can say is it's horses for courses.
Different bullet weights & construction make a massive difference to performance.

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Nailed it Greg

Virtually every "deer" caliber is an excelent killer IF the right pill is selected for the IMPACT velocity at intended RANGES and it put in the intended place.

However I think most of his arguement hinged on barrel life.Witch for the average hunter is well more than acceptable.

Excuse spelling something has happened to my sqiggely red lines:D

Barrel life? Every barrel on the planet would last longer than my life for me. I shot 20 rounds a year on average with my centrefire - prolly why my shooting isn't consistent. I'd shoot more if I could afford more. For me barrel life is not an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by sneeze

Awww crap nothing says "you are wrong" more than a bunch of miscreant sycophants agreeing with you.I withdraw my previous comments and my monty python quote.Jakewire you are right I am wrong.The .243 is an Absolutley worthless Caliber.For my penance I will keep shooting this absolutley worthless caliber for the forseeable future and here by refer to it only as "the Awk".

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You should really be punished properly, I sentence you to owning a .243 Ackley Improved

Hmmmm Karma
It just happens that at this point in time we have 243 members!!

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Originally Posted by Steve338

You should really be punished properly, I sentence you to owning a .243 Ackley Improved

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Then let it be so and it shall be known as Awk I

So does improving something that is abolutley useless just make it more useless?

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Originally Posted by Tone

Hmmmm Karma
It just happens that at this point in time we have 243 members!!

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So 243 absolutley useless members?

People have many reasons for choosing a calibre other than "technical excellence". If/when I get into deer stalking, I'll probably get a 308, because my primary deciding factor is cheap factory ammo.

I know that there are many calibres that are technically better, but if I can point a 308 at a deer and it dies, then I don't see the problem.

Also, this thread is funny. I love your work, Jakewire :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Josh

if I can point a 308 at a deer and it dies

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Big "if", homie.


Also, what do you care about cheap factory ammo? Don't you have some reloading gear lying around? And you know that I have.

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Originally Posted by gimp

Don't you have some reloading gear lying around? And you know that I have.

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You want to get rid of some Gimp?

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Originally Posted by Tone

You want to get rid of some Gimp?

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What are you looking for? I've gotten rid of most of my duplicate stuff (giving a press to forum member "moonhunt") but I'll see what I've got

Have posted in the buy,sell and swap.
I need a press, dies, trimmer, primer pocket cleaner for 243 reloads. I have nothing