Has anyone heard about an imminent ban on 2 stroke motors?
Fella in work told me that motors over 100hp are banned in 2025 and smaller motors thereafter.
Can’t find anything on t’internet.
Hopefully BS.
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Has anyone heard about an imminent ban on 2 stroke motors?
Fella in work told me that motors over 100hp are banned in 2025 and smaller motors thereafter.
Can’t find anything on t’internet.
Hopefully BS.
its been bandied about for last 20 years..... really good way to make sales..buy one quick while you still can sort of deal.
Here's a thread from 2008 https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/two...opic31769.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
In the states they banned them from freshwater lakes first.
I saw a mercury V12 600hp outboard on display yesterday,it might not leak oil like a two stroke but the Co2 émission should be impressive:-)
Sounds a bit like a good sales technique to me, if the only info we can find about it is a mention Of Judith Tizzard from 2008
Only one??Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
This channel boasts some insanely powerful (and expensive) boats in its footage. Quad 600's anyone???
Uses more fuel in an hours pleasure boating than I use on the farm in 3 months:o
For boats that don't want excessive weight hanging on the back, and if you desire the simplicity the 2 stroke offers, they are still hard to beat: 115kgs vs 72 kgs and $13K vs $7K for 50 horses.
Yeah I've got a 60HP Mercury 2smoke on the back of mine and it gets along pretty good
It's not a ban on two strokes it's a ban on installed outboards that don't meet BLA BLA over 150hp from memory.
It will only affect a very small number of boats as by definition if it runs a tote tank it's exempt
Modern E-tec outboards actually blow the four strokes away for clean running and low exhaust emissions. Some of the first ones got a bad rap for reliability but a mate has a 200 E-tec on a big hard top Mclay and that thing has been super impressive on fuel, performance, and reliability. Have an older 200 Optimax on our big old Pelin and she can really boogie along, the transom has been set up really well and boat is propped properly, hard case hooning past "sporty" boats in a big old whale
E-tecs are exempt from the freshwater lakes two stroke ban in the states from memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
I upgraded my 15hp 2s to a 20hp 4s and the 4s is incredible. Quiet, smooth, buckets of power, uses half the fuel the 2S did for more performance. 43kg vs 33, still portable and light on the transom.
There's been some pretty impressive tech advances with those Etecs. Our Defence force has recently upgraded to the military version for all its OBM useage: quiet, economic, waterproof (drop into a swamp to hide it then retrieve later and bolt back on and off you go) and most interestingly, multifuel. But ohh! how expensive:P 30K for a 55hp:XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by paremata
Can't have petrol onboard any USA military platforms.
Buggered if I know how they get on with chainsaws then...
How do they make their outboards so quiet? I met a guy who was surf casting at night and reckoned an inflatable with a bunch of navy or army dudes ( too dark to make out uniforms I guess) in it turned up down the beach from him and he never heard them coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
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Shame Johnson/Evinrude/OMC/Bombardier are not making the Etecs anymore....They didn't weather the storm of covid unfortunately.
I think the storm weathered them long before covid .a couple new boats floating round for sale with new etec on them
You'd be pretty keen to buy one given there will be no parts amd dealership assistance on them.
yeah cos there's no such thing as aftermarket companies willing to take advantage of a readymade market ayeQuote:
Originally Posted by Quackers
Something about waterproof cowling, exhaust design, engine mapping, injectors etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by paremata
https://www.marineenginedigest.com/p...l-Outboard.htm
Alta, the brains behind the concept went Tits up about 5 years ago. But their promo video of the dirt bike they were designing/building was MOST impressiveQuote:
Originally Posted by paremata
True, but like it or not E-tecs have zero resale value now. To the point that if they break its very questionable if it's worth fixing. Try to trade one in on a new outboard and see what responce you get. I always liked the concept of them but seems like in the evolutionary race between 4S and injected 2S the 4S has won. Second hand boats with them on are not selling without a significant discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshoppa
https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/conte...onal-boats.pdf
That's the maritime nz hot sheet.
It's an interesting argument, 4s uses less fuel at idle than two stroke - that's where I think they calculate the better environmental efficiency. But if you're travelling at full speed for the majority of the time?
Also the greater weight of the engine itself requires more energy expended to get on the plane, everything else being equal. A long-ish lead time and most of the affected engines will be consumed by the expiry date anyway. I'd also have no idea how they'd police this, considering there is no registration system for recreational boats in NZ...
Oh for fucks sake don’t give them ideas :)Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
They were talking about a ban on bullbars back in the 90's and that never happened. With more people jumping on the emissions bandwagon now they may manage to get more things onto the naughty list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Yeah unfortunately weather there is aftermarket parts or not.its more like not worth the hassle buying one .unless your prepared for possibility of low respect value or maybe parts hard to get. Got a friend with a 150 etec and he was offered such a low amount for a trade he said it's worth keeping and waiting for it to break and when the parts to fix exceed value then that's time to buy new again.
Im glad I got rid of mine. 150 hp. 600 hrs injectors packing it in one after another @$1500 each.
Yamaha power now. Not one issue so far.
Funny, in commercial there have been a couple of problems with the Yamaha's - that weren't covered by the service schedule too. But then those are high hour engines and the issues would probably (well apart from the leg corrosion one) probably not show up for rec users.
A mate has a 645 Aqualite which having spent a fair bit of time on led me down the path of wanting one. There is one on TM with a 175 Evenrude Fitch Ram which is the predecessor to the Etecs.As it is just down the road from me I went and had a look, it's a very low hrs boat which clearly has spent more time in the shed than on the water. He wants 70k for it. Trailer is getting tired and at the least would need a regalve. If you can find someone to do it as Perrys in Hamilton have apparently stopped.
The thing is what's my worst-case situation. I buy it, outboard shits itself in a reasonably short space of time and I need to replace it. New 150 4S fitted will have no change out of 30k and a new trailer for it will be close or around 10k. I'm now at 110k.
Why would I go there? Lot better to find one with a better motor already to go.
Yes, had a look at another 645 Aqualite in Golden bay (was down south on holiday) with a 2007 Yamaha 200hp V6. These are very well known for exhaust corrosion issues. 5 to 6k to replace and while power head gaskets have been done the exhaust has not.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3