Ford Ranger Raptor - anyone else thinking a 2L diesel is a bad idea

While I agree with a lot of the modifications on the Raptor, like uprated shocks, losing the spring leaf rear end, increased track etc, the one thing that does not sit well is a pissy little 2L 4 cylinder diesel pushing it along.
Design considerations for the new engine were apparently power, economy and response. All of those were ticked off, as the engine is lighter, more powerful, and more economic to run.
The one design consideration they seem to have missed off was reliability. Would you honestly tow anything with it, or expect it to haul a heavy ute along for 100's of thousands of k's.

All of my previous 4WD's had either 4.2L 6 cylinder diesels, or more recently 3L 4 cylinder diesels. The big lazy diesel engines had no issues with 500,000km. Could this be a realistic expectation with the new 2L Raptor?

It's the way they are going, Amarok is a 2.2 triton 2.4.... Heard the new Nevara will be 2.2...

Still like my 4.2 non turbo slug, it gets there everytime but no need to rush things...

Pretty sure there is a forum rule about politics, religion and especially fords[emoji16]

But I hear ya. Seems everything is getting smaller in the engine department and there is no real world proof of reliability doing the hard yards yet that I know of.


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Yep rules are nothing over 3 litres I believe, Still my 2 litre Cosworth used to humble a few V8s, especially the Holden ones!!
2 litre ute is an embarrassment, Bugger!!

we have a 2.5 triton and its better acceleration than the ranger or colorado. even better when you turn the egr off

There's an interview with the guy who ran the project and he says its not about size but performance, over the whole vehicle. They're more interested in the suspension and chassis design than the engine and that it's not a tow truck but more a Baja style race ute


Still, a 2L?

Engineering has improved over the last 10 -15 years higher compression rates and boost pressures can make up for lack of cubic inches, as cosworths and escorts proved 20 plus years ago. The downside is the motor is running under greater stress, not really an issue if its designed for it i think.

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

we have a 2.5 triton and its better acceleration than the ranger or colorado. even better when you turn the egr off

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What year, I use a 2012 Triton and had no issues so far. Even ran it with no coolant for a while and never overheated

You cannot convince me that a big engine loafing along will be more reliable and last long with less running costs than a little one running at mach 5 to make the same power. Theres always a trade off. Look at the hand-grenades that are modern utes, 100K on the clock or less and major repairs that dealers seem to think are just normal wear and tear

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Originally Posted by Steve123

What year, I use a 2012 Triton and had no issues so far. Even ran it with no coolant for a while and never overheated

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wait till you do the egr turn off. economy and power goes thru the roof

10speed gearbox must be the answer?

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

wait till you do the egr turn off. economy and power goes thru the roof

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What is it and how is it done?

I agree, these days its more power, more revs and smaller size!.... To my basic mind that tells me that the smaller motor is working harder and therefore more stressed and will not last as long in the years to come. I'm comparing this to say a 4.0 litre Toyota diesel or 4.2 Nissan version, which seem to keep chugging along year after year.

I compare it to Bathurst all those years ago when they brought out the Sierra cosworth's. They were under half the capacity but made the same power as the V8's, but because they were highly strung 2.0 litre engines they were all hand genades!

Still a neat looking truck though!

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Originally Posted by matto1234

10speed gearbox must be the answer?

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Funny you should say that, Amarok is an 8speed with no low box.... And full time 4wd

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Originally Posted by Steve123

What is it and how is it done?

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its easy as, i made a switchon / off unit for $10. send me a pic of of your air filter system as they sem to vary allot. basically if you confuse the em system that its freezing cold outside it shuts off

That’s interesting mate.....why can you not “re-chip” the system......or is that not possible.....I rechiped my dodge,still kept the EGR,and as you say performance goes through the roof.....used a smarty 4,which re-cinks the computer from stock to one of 4 modes....One including towing...

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

its easy as, i made a switchon / off unit for $10. send me a pic of of your air filter system as they sem to vary allot. basically if you confuse the em system that its freezing cold outside it shuts off

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Yeah the Raptor's a grouse looking truck alright. I'd say it will be around the 80k mark.

To be honest that 2lt engine puts me off a bit, a little motor no matter how efficient pushing a heavy wagon doesn't really goof me off ( even though, face it, you ain't guna buy one of these for towing ) but 160kw is shit, fark I want 180 -200 or a decent petrol & really make the farken thing go!


PS - Modern ute's aren't like the old luxe's & built to last forever, trucks now days are like European cars - have so many puters & electric friggen things, load em up with dust'n'shit & they're be stuffed after 10years.

Im not sure what the newer ones are like but had a 2012 amarok as a farm truck and it was a useless piece of shit for anything other than driving to town

I’ve heard the amarocks weren’t good as farm trucks. They leave there parts all over the paddocks.
I used to work for Ford in the early 2000’s as a truck mechanic on F150 and 250 and couriers. The couriers were only 2.5 then and were classed as pretty grunty back then all 70 kw. Now were at 150kw. Back then the F150 Had a FX4 version that had updated rancho shocks and sway bars to make them the off roader. Which no one ever used them for.
My brother who has the current ranger keeps asking me what I think of this new raptor. He’s a builder. My answer is it is not the vehicle for you. You drive on the road and tow trailers about. Apart from looking cool and being something that will be somewhat limited amount sold. It would be $25000 wasted.
Now if you were hunting regularly and bashing up river beds then one of these would be an amazing thing.
I still prefer the raw power of my 7.3l v8 diesel in my f250. Had them for so long it’s hard to get used to a Korean veh

The Ranger will still come in a 3.2 for the time being . The Raptor is set up as a sports truck. Completely differnet suspension etc. We have taken orders for 8 so far.

Think I saw them as being RRP @$89K.

I thought diesel was dead anyway and GDI petrol engines were the new high efficiency deal?

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

Im not sure what the newer ones are like but had a 2012 amarok as a farm truck and it was a useless piece of shit for anything other than driving to town

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Amaroks are only good for being stuck in traffic jams. They come with skinny jeans, pointy shoes, underlip mo's and penis reduction surgery as standard

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Originally Posted by kiwijames

Think I saw them as being RRP @$89K.

I thought diesel was dead anyway and GDI petrol engines were the new high efficiency deal?

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$85990

I would go the vw V6 at that price

new model coming out soon at $65 - 70k

Ford dropped the ball on this one, they should have imported one of the motors from the states they have a bunch of options over there and really would have made i special 130kw of poos

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Originally Posted by 199p

I would go the vw V6 at that price

new model coming out soon at $65 - 70k

Ford dropped the ball on this one, they should have imported one of the motors from the states they have a bunch of options over there and really would have made i special 130kw of poos

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Isn't this for the American market as well as they've been crying out for the ranger for a while now and they want fuel economy as much as anything as gas is getting pricey here haha.

Also if they dropped the v6 from the f150 etc it'll be too close in competition for them.

The 450hp V6 from the F150 Raptor sitting in a Ranger Raptor would be something to behold. A proper sports truck indeed.

2.8 hiace.....

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Originally Posted by 40mm

2.8 hiace.....

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Needs a hair dryer. The 3.0l 1KZ-TE kicks along pretty good. Just don't flog them too hard.

@Savage1 minister of transport

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Needs a hair dryer. The 3.0l 1KZ-TE kicks along pretty good. Just don't flog them too hard.

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I got mine up to 17kmh up the haast pass once! could have gone a bit faster but was nice scenery and I expect to do a million kays in it

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Originally Posted by 40mm

I got mine up to 17kmh up the haast pass once! could have gone a bit faster but was nice scenery and I expect to do a million kays in it

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Yeah, the old 2.4 diesel 2L LWB 4x4 wasn't that quick through there, but I think a bit quicker than that. As long as the revs stayed up.