Full Electric LDV ute

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Originally Posted by GWH

Bear with me, I'll try to find a really good vid that explains it all in detail.

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Yeah, part of the issue is similar to the entire climate change debate - just what stats and numbers you include or ignore slants the entire argument in a whole heap of different ways.

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Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Citation? I would love to win an argument against the Mrs but everything I read says EVs are far more "green" when factoring in the construction of vehicle and usage.

Please provide me with some source to counter her argument

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Right found it.

It's 44 mins long but well worth the watch if you're interested. It's the best info I've seen presented yet on the whole picture.

https://youtu.be/tH8ll5VboC8

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Originally Posted by Tahr

95% of all Teslas' ever produced are still on the road.

The other 5% actually made it home.

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Much like landrovers then.

Got 26+ litres of Detroit and Dearborn V8 at home to keep me happy so no reason to ‘switch’ to EV.

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Originally Posted by GWH

I really don't think straight EV is the future, obviously many think it will be, and sure some of the EV passenger cars are getting quite good from a range point of view, and obviously decent torque so they feel powerful etc.

However, for anything else other than passenger cars that stay firmly on the sealed road, i just dont see this EV thing working out terribly well.

I still believe the good ole ICE engine, whether they be spark ign or compression ignition, will have a lot of life left in them yet, by way of different types of renewable sustainable fuels, whether that be advancements in bio-fuels or some other type of fuel yet unknown.

Even Bio-ethanol (that's been around for years now) has some big benefits over traditional fossil-based fuels, in the way of being renewable, the potential to make more power than your normal fossil fuels, it burns cooler and it produces fewer emissions. Further advancements in this type of technology are coming, Motorsport incl F1 are doing a lot of work on such fuels, that im sure will filter down to consumer road vehicles eventually.

And the whole idea of EV's being green is so flawed it's not funny. When you look at the holistic picture, they are no better for the environment, in fact as we know it today, they are actually worse.

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Ev's will be the future when batteries costs 1000$ to make, take 20 mins to recharge fully and have a range of 1000km, what we have now is worse for the environment then any petrol or diesel could ever be

Ev's will become the norm when we have a revolution in batteries and also power generation to feed them

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Originally Posted by GWH

Right found it.

It's 44 mins long but well worth the watch if you're interested. It's the best info I've seen presented yet on the whole picture.

https://youtu.be/tH8ll5VboC8

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worth a watch if you think this "green energy" is the future - big oil behind it all

Michael Moore Presents: Planet of the Humans | Full Documentary | Directed by Jeff Gibbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

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Originally Posted by GWH

I really don't think straight EV is the future, obviously many think it will be, and sure some of the EV passenger cars are getting quite good from a range point of view, and obviously decent torque so they feel powerful etc.

However, for anything else other than passenger cars that stay firmly on the sealed road, i just dont see this EV thing working out terribly well.

I still believe the good ole ICE engine, whether they be spark ign or compression ignition, will have a lot of life left in them yet, by way of different types of renewable sustainable fuels, whether that be advancements in bio-fuels or some other type of fuel yet unknown.

Even Bio-ethanol (that's been around for years now) has some big benefits over traditional fossil-based fuels, in the way of being renewable, the potential to make more power than your normal fossil fuels, it burns cooler and it produces fewer emissions. Further advancements in this type of technology are coming, Motorsport incl F1 are doing a lot of work on such fuels, that im sure will filter down to consumer road vehicles eventually.

And the whole idea of EV's being green is so flawed it's not funny. When you look at the holistic picture, they are no better for the environment, in fact as we know it today, they are actually worse.

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Agreed - hydrogen technology and development is a more promising option at present due to the ability to retrofit existing vehicles; there are other options out there that are being sidelined as a result of a "pure EV" fixation.....Infrastructure is going to be the next cab off the rank in rolling out new technology and ensuring adoption....

Really really important watch on EV true CO2 costs (it will blow your mind):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk

and another one on the true cost and impact of renewable energy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w

It really makes you wonder about the green camp.

The Future......CNG, LNG, LPG conversions....not so long ago the Guvmint sudsidised, and promoted these planet saving ideas. Watch this space....!

And it was Labour/Lange that pulled the subsidy for some pet project or other...

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E

The Greenies also don't like discuss how these materials are mined. All for saving the planet and all but at who's cost and I'm not talking financially . Everyone is quick to point out the child/slave labour in China for manufacturing etc to the coffee beans picked in Africa.
But it seems where technology is involved those things are hidden under the carpets.

Recent pod cast on cobalt mining.

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E

EV's are as reliable as the electricity used to recharge them. Look at Europe and North America where they've been suffering from energy crisis since they tried to go green in some areas, then got worse after the Ukraine kicked off and even more worse now they in a winter blast where they are about to have rolling blackouts. In some places theres not enough charging stations so people have to limit their driving because they can only charge at home. Hydrogen combustion engines are the way to go.

Just an update, I have now done 1500 kms in the Ute, getting more used to it, because I work around the north waikato area I have used the fast charges at countdown Huntly, never had to wait, and apart from that I charge from a 3 pin plug at the depot.
Ute drives well, handles great with all the weight down low between the chassis rails,

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Originally Posted by Bobba

Recent pod cast on cobalt mining.

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E

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Hate to break it to you, but cobalt is used in oil refining and has been for a very long time. De-sulphurisation (sp?). So its been a problem long before EVs came on the scene.