Bloody oath...it's $30...big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
The time and resources you've wasted bickering about this well and truly exceeds the fine itself. Let it go.
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Bloody oath...it's $30...big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
The time and resources you've wasted bickering about this well and truly exceeds the fine itself. Let it go.
As the vehicle owner you have a responsibility to say who was driving. So are you saying both your wife and daughter are refusing to admit who it was, or are they both lying to you about who was driving the car? Seriously..over $30 ?
Police have more important things to do than deal with trivial bullshit from people who think the road rules don't apply to them, of which they are there to protect people I might add. Examples of real Police work- scraping dead kids off train tracks, preventing burglaries, arresting sexual offenders, trying to console people who are losing their shit at having lost family members to road accidents. But hey you just keep bitching about your $30 ticket your wife and daughter wont own up to if it makes you feel better. Rant over.
I don't give my car out willy nilly it's not rocket science to work out who is driving it. If you don't want to have the $30 ticket against your name well then get your mrs to take it on the chin. Surely someone was in charge of the car and at least one of you can take it like an adult. God.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
If you read the post properly before going off on your rant you might have noticed that he said they don't know who was driving because they shared the driving on the trip and don't know who was in which seat wherever the camera happened to be. If he genuinely doesn't know he is obviously unable to do the police's job for them, and cannot name a guilty party without lying to the authorities (which is apparently illegal).Quote:
Originally Posted by oneshot
It would be nice if the police bureaucracy allocated more officers time to those more important things instead of sitting beside the road with a camera to penalise generally law-abiding people for trivial infractions weeks after the event. It may not do anything for road safety but hey, it makes the quota (sorry its 'performance target' now isn't it) look better right?
I always though that it was the vehicle owner's to pay unless he was able to name who it was.
So either your wife and daughter go 1/2's or you stump up.
Pretty simple really. If you want to fuck around in court maybe base your defence on speedo's legally being able to have a 10% error......
Tell people using your car to slow down, build a bridge, pay the fine, get over it. Waste of band width this thread :P FFS
Don't need too pay or more importantly have the unjust infringement on my record common sense and justice prevailed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Can someone advise me how I can keep track of three vehicles with multiple legal drivers even when I am not around, what if they don't fill in a log just take it legally remember I am in the other side of the country on occasion.
I can assure you all I would be the fist to present the speeder with their prize and perhaps after a repeat performance revoke the use of the vehicle.
Should I lie and pay to make it go away?
Should I accept multiple infringements recorded against me that I lied to accept?
Does the actual speeder learn anything?
Are these cameras fit for purpose?
It's your partner and daughter and a $30 fine?
Am I missing something?
If not go pay the fine ya tight prick
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Originally Posted by BRADS
Isn't that illegal?
Should I lie and pay to make it go away isn't that perverting the course of justice?
What if in the future it was proved I could not have committed the offence I admitted to am I guilty of perverting the course of justice !!!!!!! ?
Should I accept multiple infringements recorded against me that I lied to accept?
Does the actual speeder learn anything?
Are these cameras fit for purpose?
Can you advise me how I can keep track of three vehicles with multiple legal drivers even when I am not around, what if they don't fill in a log just take it legally remember I am in the other side of the country on occasion?
Thank you for your opinion and insight:thumbsup:
Tell the people who are legally driving your car, to actually drive it legally!
Example - don't speed.
Problem solved
Great I never thought of that thanks will do, that should do it (sorry sarcastic) again thanks for your opinion and deep insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Can you advise me how I can keep track of three vehicles with multiple legal drivers even when I am not around, what if they don't fill in a log just take it legally remember I am in the other side of the country on occasion?
Are these cameras fit for purpose?
If you really think this is a first world problem the answer is in your question. Keep a log book.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
That is standard practice with all company pool cars, probably for this very reason
Are you for real ?????? Dunediin to Christchurch is not that far I'm sure if you looked on a map with the wife and daughter you could figure out who was driving it's not like they would of changed drivers 10 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
All this over a $30 fine that you are definitely sure either your wife or daughter incurred,
I also suspect actually know which one is culpable and are just being vexatious for the sake of it........
I'm sure I read on here somewhere A very respected person once said it was unbelievable how some people wasted their lives worrying about menial shit.....
I'll leave it there if you can't figure it out your not worth anymore time than that.
Seriously It's $30 it's a one off fine no doubt unless both your wife and daughter have incredulously aweful driving history I'm sure it won't be the blot on their character you make out that according to you is the "principal" behind all this.
Sheeshh :wtfsmilie:
Normal household then?Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
I cant sack friends and family for failure to adhere the health and safety mandate or employment contract.
Do you keep a log is it up to date what method have you in place when not at home to police your log.
What disciplinary procedures have you in place for failure to adhere to your log.
Thanks your opinion and deep insight is of great intrest.
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Can you advise me how I can keep track of three vehicles with multiple legal drivers even when I am not around, what if they don't fill in a log just take it legally remember I am in the other side of the country on occasion?
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If you can't the answer is simple, Don't allow others to drive your vehicles as clearly the Idea of being responsible for a fine that wasn't incurred by you but someone you trust with your vehicles is just too much to bear. Stop hiding behind a b.s excuse your not anyone's hero on here because of it.
Sheeshh
It was dark they don't know the roads I have no idea what tea rooms they stopped at what shopping they did nor do they three weeks after the event none of us know the towns or area, a photo of the driver would help!
"I'm sure I read on here somewhere A very respected person once said it was unbelievable how some people wasted their lives worrying about menial shit....."
Again thank you for your opinion and spending the time to provide such insight, thank you.
[QUOTE=dannyb;710530]So how do you do it do no family or friends get to use your 1 or ? vehicle,Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
lock the keys up?
Wife gets the bus (that's assuming the wife gets out on her own)?
Kids get taxis and bus?
Normal household then?
Oh we live 11 k from the nearest town not many buses here.
Again thank you for your opinion and spending the time to provide such instructive and helpful insight, thank you.
The cameras are fit for purpose. Purpose being revenue gathering.
They probably have 1/1000 people who actually genuinely argue about quality of the photo. Therefore hard to justify added expense of updating equipment when they are clearly fit for purpose.
Do you keep a driver log is it up to date what method have you in place when not at home to police your log.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
What disciplinary procedures have you in place for failure to adhere to your log.
Could I have a copy of your log procedures, I would appreciate your assistance as may others.
We cant see anyone in the vehicle photo, fit for purpose?
I will play along as you are clearly having a slow day...Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
I don't keep a driver log and see no reason too as no one else drives my car
2nd question is not applicable as above
3rd question is not personally applicable to me however the usual procedure is:
Date of journey
Opening odometer reading
Closing odometer reading
Purpose of journey
Name and signature of driver
If not completed in full it usually means less of company vehicle/priviledge. You could apply the same to your mrs
Yes the camera is fit for purpose you numpty, it clearly captured your licence number plate.
Yip that's what I thought but I gave you the benefit of doubt, Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Yes the camera is fit for purpose you numpty, it clearly captured your licence number plate.[/QUOTE]
Obviously not no ones paying the fine, what a poor system and equipment.
Thank you for such helpful input.
You’re not english are you tighty?
well if you arent prepared to take responsibility for the vechile that is registered in your name I guess you best pull plates off it and let rego lapse and ride a horse from now on...
I own 2 private vechiles and keeping track of who went where when ISNT HARD 3 weeks ago isnt a long time,you know it was 1 of 2 persons..BOTH are your family,are you the man of the household or not???? take responsibility and pay the damn fine...you dont deny its your car and its breaking the law so pay up...if it was your dog and it bit the postman would it be another family members fault because you arent home???its till your dog and ultimately your responsibility.
if your water pipes burst and flooded the neighbours house ,garden,garage full of inflatable dolls would it be your responsibility to pay for damages or the last person from your house hold to flush the loo and walk out the door???again its your house,your pipes your responsibility which would probably be taken care of by insurance company if you have insurance again your responsibility...... I paid the one and only speed camera fine Ive got and I KNOW for a FACT that I wasnt driving that vechile at that time...however my log book said I was so sucked it up and paid it...lesson learnt and it wont ever happen again.
Good point I forgot to add dogs were in the vehicle adding further stops and driver changes cheers for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Does your wife know your the man of the household, just having a laugh:thumbsup:
This is better than the "What Caliber" threads.
yes my wife does know Im the man of the household and the one who wears the trousers too....she buys them for me and tells me which pair to wear....but its still me who wears them LOL
In aussie if the driver wasn't you, there is a statutory declaration (stat dec for short) that has to be filled out and signed by a JP, nominating the driver in question.
If its a company car the fine gets multiplied by 5 if you chose not to do that to make you pay it.
Did the statutory declaration none of us can honestly say who was driving and its illegal to lie and pervert the course of justice which could also come back to bite you if you lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
I stated it was not me and asked for the photo thinking soon present the speeder with the prize unfortunately you cant see if anyone is even in the vehicle passenger or driver.
Are these cameras fit for purpose?
You don't have to make any statutory declaration to just man up and pay the ticket do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
Geeze I wish I was young again with a decent slug gun! Speed cameras would be much more fun than street lights!:cool:
That would be dumb up.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
I wasn't there!
Do you just lie on these documents by manning up?
Sorry your honer I put it to you I did not pervert the course of justice and put forward the defence of manning up as per my learned colleague the right honourable Mr Sytolic QC (quite cool)
Or if you get a steel rod and slide it quickly over the road sensors, does the camera flash or does weight come into it or are they now laser
Shit I've lived a long time to know all the different models! I like the ones with the big Amber lenses in the flash, they were cool!:D
Now FFS are they fit for purpose!
I think the wire loops in the road work via inductance, so need a large mass of metal (such as a car) to activate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
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I asked them both if they had a double flash similar to a nuclear explosion near by:wtfsmilie: apparently not or even noticed so can only assume they are invisible and you have no idea they are there, I would say no one sees them so not much of a deterrent more a covert trap and revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Pity you cant see the people even if there is a passenger in the car on the photo supplied.
Fit for purpose?
FFS you nitpicking wanker. The camera snapped your vehicle speeding. It served it's purpose. The vehicles registered to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtightg
Fit for purpose is the most incorrectly used cliche these day's.. normally by arsewipes trying to avoid paying their bills.
If anything isn't fit for purpose it's probably you. Your mother should have swallowed.
Who's pulling your strings, food for thought you have such a deep and meaningful approach are you well educated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
30 seconds googling 'Speed Camera Responsibilities' turned up this which is paraphrased from the Land Transport Act:
Speeding offences
Liability for moving vehicle offences
Section 133 of the LTA shows proceedings may be taken against any person who, at the
time of the offence, was:
• the person allegedly committing the offence; and/or
• the registered owner or one of the owners of the vehicle involved; or
• lawfully entitled to possession of the vehicle, whether jointly owned or not regardless
of whether that person is an individual, or was the driver or person in charge of the
vehicle at the time.
Defences against proceedings
It is a defence to proceedings under section 133 of the LTA that at the time the offence
was committed:
• the person was not lawfully entitled to possession of the vehicle, whether jointly
owned or not; or
• another person was driving the vehicle; and
• immediately after becoming aware of the alleged offence, the person advises the
enforcement authority in writing of these things, and
• the person gives the enforcement authority a statutory declaration:
- identifying the driver, by giving name and address or
- other particulars that may lead to identification, or
- establishing that they could not identify the driver, after taking all reasonable steps
to do so.
Fairly clear that the registered owner is liable for the ticket unless they can give the name of the driver.
Just one of the responsibilities of owning a vehicle in this country.
Suck it up princess!
• another person was driving the vehicle; andQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
• immediately after becoming aware of the alleged offence, the person advises the
enforcement authority in writing of these things, and
• the person gives the enforcement authority a statutory declaration:
- identifying the driver, by giving name and address or
- other particulars that may lead to identification, or
- establishing that they could not identify the driver, after taking all reasonable steps
to do so.
Did that That's why if you did not do it its illegal to say you did and I did not need to pay and have the erroneous infringement recorded against me , well done great research who knew!
Hurry up and pay your speeding fine. The Government needs the money to pay the benefit to a solo mother.
Fairly clear that you didn't bother reading it properly so I've made the relevant bit really obvious for you ... suck it up princess.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic