Thread: Best prices on Quantum Pulsar Thermal Devices

Originally Posted by Pengy

Torchs are pretty good for walking around the bush in the dark.
I cant see how this can be policed as far as shooting after dark is concerned.
Having played with a thermal image device for a couple of weeks, one of my concerns is that the thermal image of a human in the bush, could easily be mistaken for a large game animal. We already have idiots shooting at things that should be seen as human , and I don't see the need to add to the issue.
In open country, and especially with cold ground etc, these things are great. But put some tight bush in the picture and form what I have seen, all you really see is a heat signature.

Which thermal were you using?

Check-out the first bit of this vid:

https://vimeo.com/114231774

Originally Posted by deer243

Another hunting"" äccident"""just waiting to happening. Plus Thermal imaging and night vision scopes etc poachers would be a big factor in keeping strong sales up one would think

I'm in the trade, so I know who our main market is. Most of our sales are to successful guys with access to private hunting, keen hunters who use them for stalking, and farmers who hunt and control pests on their own farms. I'm sure the odd poacher uses them, but most poachers can't afford this gear because they are broke arses, and can only afford a spotlight. There hasn't been a single conviction where night vision or thermal has been use for poaching.

Guys are shooting each other in daylight, with daylight rifles scopes right now. Read the other threads. So if this debate is about safety, it's bollocks.

Originally Posted by Pengy

Torchs are pretty good for walking around the bush in the dark.
I cant see how this can be policed as far as shooting after dark is concerned.
Having played with a thermal image device for a couple of weeks, one of my concerns is that the thermal image of a human in the bush, could easily be mistaken for a large game animal. We already have idiots shooting at things that should be seen as human , and I don't see the need to add to the issue.
In open country, and especially with cold ground etc, these things are great. But put some tight bush in the picture and form what I have seen, all you really see is a heat signature.

I really don't see your point.... I've spotlighted deer with a shitty headlight so the definition of "spotlight" could be pretty vague.

As long as the bolts out there is no difference to walking around with thermal/night vision or walking around with torch or headlight. The only difference is that the thermal will you might be able to spot your game in the early hours, set up and wait for it to be light, morals aside, nothing illegal about that

My point is, human nature is such that some people are going to abuse this little loophole (as I see it) and use thermal on doc blocks under darkness.
Unlike a spotlight, you or I wont even know they are there.
I cant recall the model that we tried out, but I do recall quite clearly how our subject became a shapeless heat signature once long grass/bush was introduced. I am sure the newer models have only got better since then (2 years ago), but remain sceptical.
@Yukon. No dis respect , but if I was in the market for something like this, and my purposes were not quite pearly white, I would be telling the sales person just what they want to hear. IE: `yeah mate, I have access to private land blah blah.

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

I really don't see your point.... I've spotlighted deer with a shitty headlight so the definition of "spotlight" could be pretty vague.

As long as the bolts out there is no difference to walking around with thermal/night vision or walking around with torch or headlight. The only difference is that the thermal will you might be able to spot your game in the early hours, set up and wait for it to be light, morals aside, nothing illegal about that

Bolt out is a cop out. What about the guy with a semi, lever action, bow ??? Just saying. How do you see it being policed?

Why does one assume these are used at night?
I have used handheld thermal pretty extensively in day and night on public and private land legally in both cases.

Where they excell is in the morning scanning a face from afar where you can swap back and forward from binos to thermal.
It is just another tool.

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Originally Posted by Pengy

Bolt out is a cop out. What about the guy with a semi, lever action, bow ??? Just saying. How do you see it being policed?

How do you police someone walking around with a torch with a semi/lever/bow. Bolt out where applicable and gun unloaded/slung is what I should of said above

It's never going to be black and white, but if you are taking all practicable steps to show you are not actively hunting there is no way you can be charged pretty simple

Does anyone know of any person who was charged with a spotlighting offence when they GENUINELY weren't.
I think we are reacting to a problem that doesn't exist.
If your genuinely not night hunting in an area where it is forbidden then I doubt you've got a problem.

Re the identify your target issue. I've used a thermal imager and I doubt anybody could miss identify a human as a game animal using a thermal imaging device night or day.

Originally Posted by Yukon

Which thermal were you using?

Check-out the first bit of this vid:

https://vimeo.com/114231774

Pity the second bit onwards proves the point.

I like thermal imagers, I have a level 1 qualification and I've got hands on experience with mid 6 figure cams, but I can also guarantee they are being misused and it is easy to misidentify your target, especially in summer/shoulder seasons and in the day time.

Chris

Originally Posted by BobGibson

Does anyone know of any person who was charged with a spotlighting offence when they GENUINELY weren't.
I think we are reacting to a problem that doesn't exist.
If your genuinely not night hunting in an area where it is forbidden then I doubt you've got a problem.

Re the identify your target issue. I've used a thermal imager and I doubt anybody could miss identify a human as a game animal using a thermal imaging device night or day.

+1

I used a Yukon device a couple of years ago at a forum hunt and was amazed at what it picked up. Could clearly see geese in the river bed a fair distance away and they were easily identifiable.

As I said, I have used one as well, and so long as the subject was in relatively open ground and there was a distinct temp dif between subject and ambient, all very good . Once bush etc was introduced, things became a little vague.
I am simply concerned that there is an element out there who will take the opportunity to misuse the technology. A spot lighter is pretty easy to, erm. spot. Someone using thermal technology after dark is not.
I think the issue of judging backstop when using them to shoot could present problems too

I used one in the bush on Stewart Island and had no trouble identifying the profile of a whitetail at around 60m looking through some pretty dense scrub in daylight

Originally Posted by Pengy

As I said, I have used one as well, and so long as the subject was in relatively open ground and there was a distinct temp dif between subject and ambient, all very good . Once bush etc was introduced, things became a little vague.
I am simply concerned that there is an element out there who will take the opportunity to misuse the technology. A spot lighter is pretty easy to, erm. spot. Someone using thermal technology after dark is not.
I think the issue of judging backstop when using them to shoot could present problems too

You are very right about the temperature difference, but it is probably no worse than many optical scopes at dawn and dusk.

Replace the words : "using a thermal" by "driving a Ferrari" .
"At night time" by " over a 100 km/h"
" get more deer " by " get more chicks"
And "an accident is bound to happen" by ... Nothing.

Most people driving a Ferrari respect the speed limit but there must be some idiots who break the rules and do speeding over 100km/h with them. Should we ban the usage of ferraris on open roads? Because one day or another an idiot in a Ferrari is gona speed and kill somebody!

Or maybe that those who want to ban ferraris are simply jealous of the ones who can afford them and drive them and get more chicks with them....

Just a different perspective

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

I really don't see your point.... I've spotlighted deer with a shitty headlight so the definition of "spotlight" could be pretty vague.

As long as the bolts out there is no difference to walking around with thermal/night vision or walking around with torch or headlight. The only difference is that the thermal will you might be able to spot your game in the early hours, set up and wait for it to be light, morals aside, nothing illegal about that

I'm not sure if I'd take the bolt out, I know I would lose it. I'm highly skilled at losing things