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That was one of the few videos I've watched to the end, very informative and explains why I still sweat my ass off when wearing a Gore-Tex raincoat
his low-key humour is hilarious. I've watched quite a number of videos in a similar vein in the last few years all explaining why rainwear based on "waterproof breathable" membranes just don't live up to the hype anymore. Every membrane comes with tradeoffs. The perfect waterproof breathable doesn't exist.
Agreed, I have often wondered the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
Great video
this is why I stick with wool and oilskin where possible. If you're in the rain and working even moderately hard you will get wet, from inside or outside. the key is being able to dry off and stay warm in the meantime, 80% heat retention remaining on sodden wool from memory.
I follow him on youtube. He has a lot of interesting vids especailly around motorbikes.....And being Canadian, tends to be more along the sort of things we do here...
One of my favorite channels. Always well made, well thought out subjects with excellent production.
Goretex sucks, I think most of us have known that for a while. As per the vid, helps of options at half the price that are just as good, if not better.
My experience with Goretex over the last 20 years:
- MacPac Goretex jacket - not waterproof and non-breathable
- Kathmandu Goretex jacket - not waterproof and non-breathable
- Helly Hansen Goretex pants - not waterproof and non-breathable
Yeah I remember having raincoats in the 80s- cotton or canvas and oiled maybe. I remember they used to work.
Finally someone who gets it!! Wool for the win!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish
I have found Goretex stuff fine if your standing round doing SFA and you get the odd shower and or cold wind. Kind of goes with what he is saying otherwise nothing can keep you dry whyle doing physical exercise and it's raining, Can't see a way round that.
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Would agree with all the previous comments… may I suggest this.:
Ridgeline Grunt Anorak….(I don’t work for Ridgeline)
I’ve used this out on the boat,Stalking…in the wind and rain….. albeit not totally waterproof,but close to it,this is I reckon is one of the best/better jobs I’ve worn…supplement this with waterproof leggings you can stay quite warm and dry
Goretex is a superb product, I have a 3layer ripstop Berghaus Goretex layer jacket that I've had over 20 years. Still waterproof and breathable, even with some seam tape pealing. Fortunately, I purchased mine form a very knowledgeable ex tank commander retailer in the UK. He gave customers a 'lecture' when they purchased items on how to wear and care, what was then, a very expensive product.
Now here is the problem with Goretex and similar garments. Firstly, as per the video, the water needs to be able to bead off the outer fabric layer. Manufacturers are partly guilty here by selling products with an outer membrane that isnt compatable with the Goretex technology. They sell garments with a matt surface and fabrics that are aesthetically sellable that 'wet-out' completely, thus rendering the PTFE membrane useless.
Users are also guilty of not maintaining a good quality the outer layer fabric by not washing correctly and not periodically reproofing with a Nikwax TX direct type water repellent type product.
Most importantly is how the Goretex garment is worn. It must be worn in such a way as to create a pressure differential between you and the outside, as stated in the video! Ive lost count of the times I've 'man-splained' to soaking wet trampers that they are wearing their Goretex wrong! They need to be tight around the bottom hem, tight around the cuffs, tight around the neck, tight around the zips. Sealed like a pickle in a jar! Now this is the problem, unless the rain is coming down like stair rods, then most people will wear Goretex more casually, and if the rain is hosing down to that extent, then people are probably taking shelter anyway. Again manufacturers are guilty of Goretex incompatible design. They are making jackets with pit-zips, loose non elasticated hems, vented yokes and loose cuffs. Non of these are going to hermetically seal the jacket down to create that differential.
Interesting video!
the big dog and butchers coats are VERY VERY similar...agree they are great but I get too warm if walking far,actually makes me more tired than a lighter cooler coat...perfect for sitting n glassing of a really cold shitty day...and they were just made for carting out animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
if you are going to need to reapply coating to expensive goretex coat and wear it zipped up like a pickle jar...you may as well wear a big black rubbish bag under another layer of soft stuff or use the kero/silicon mix moa hunter suggested some time back and make the plurry fabric water proof completely. I did it to my british milair coat and results are awesome.....did a cotton jacket too..went from zero water proofing to rather good .
