Thread: Hands up who else hates ITAR??

Originally Posted by Proneshooter

I learnt long ago that just 'cause something has a "name" on it does NOT mean it will always be better than something without a "name" and the reality is most "name" stuff comes out of china nowadays... its the only way they can stay competitive in todays market... often the no name stuff has just come out the back door of the same place making the name stuff... but for less.

You only have to peruse youtube to see any number of videos detailing how some expensive "name" item had a major fail.

well thats my take on things and I do work for a company that manufactures in China... which is not to say I know it all, this is just what I have concluded myself

cheers
Tracy

If it helps you to sleep at night mate, keep telling yourself that......

Originally Posted by Proneshooter

I learnt long ago that just 'cause something has a "name" on it does NOT mean it will always be better than something without a "name" and the reality is most "name" stuff comes out of china nowadays... its the only way they can stay competitive in todays market... often the no name stuff has just come out the back door of the same place making the name stuff... but for less.

You only have to peruse youtube to see any number of videos detailing how some expensive "name" item had a major fail.

well thats my take on things and I do work for a company that manufactures in China... which is not to say I know it all, this is just what I have concluded myself

cheers
Tracy

You are on the money there. The only thing you have to watch is that some other no-name co in the next town will be making an inferior copy. Picking the difference from a photo on the web can be a problem.

The most Hilaryous part of it all is that the World's greatest debtor nation ever is blocking the export of items people in other countries can lawfully import and freely buy. Guess they want to go spectacularly broke!

so I tried to order a range bag from Midway usa , ... itar blocked ...... but lookee here

Yeah, US paranoia truly knows NO bounds!!.

It seems to me that america's main threats come from a) the USA..ie internal terrorists b) dusty third-world locations... neither of which are particularly affected by Mr. ITAR!

Originally Posted by Southern Man

The most Hilaryous part of it all is that the World's greatest debtor nation ever is blocking the export of items people in other countries can lawfully import and freely buy. Guess they want to go spectacularly broke!

ok, I'll ask... so where did you get it from??

Originally Posted by stumpy

so I tried to order a range bag from Midway usa , ... itar blocked ...... but lookee here
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Originally Posted by Proudkiwi

If it helps you to sleep at night mate, keep telling yourself that......

Fuckin trolling again arnt you.so when someone like Norway uses Buffalo river what dose that say????
Or uses Lyman raloading scales? ??? Your a troll who needs to pull his head in

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Originally Posted by Neckshot

Fuckin trolling again arnt you.so when someone like Norway uses Buffalo river what dose that say????
Or uses Lyman raloading scales? ??? Your a troll who needs to pull his head in

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Neckshot - your post is so full of wrong.

Examples:

The word 'fucking' has a g at the end of it. Correct punctuation states that a capital letter follows a full stop. Dose in the context you used it in is spelt 'does'. There is no such word as 'raloading'. You used 'your' incorrectly. It should be 'you're' as in 'you are an idiot'. Again, correct punctuation states that a sentence needs a full stop at the end.

As for my post, no I am not trolling. I learnt a long time ago there is no shortcuts when it comes to quality. In short, if you want to play you have to pay.

People that try to talk themselves into believing that a knock off from where ever or a plastic thingy from Tim-buck-too are going to be as good as the product they ripped off design wise and then produced in shitty materials are just deceiving themselves.

My time is too valuable to me to be let down buy some second rate piece of shit product from some second rate piece of shit website just cause I scored it "cheap as bro"

Also, I put a smiley at the end of my original post. So chill the fuck out!

Your a Fuckin troll so keep dreaming otherwise if your time was valuable you wouldn't have written a novel

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Originally Posted by Neckshot

Your a Fuckin troll so keep dreaming otherwise if your time was valuable you wouldn't have written a novel

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lol chill out bro

got a few things being held up by ITAR. My company Has ITAR certification and I still can't get stuff through. I got my scope stopped last year, even with a copy of email from Swaro saying it wasn't subjected to ITAR regs didn't help. So I brought it back in my luggage regardless.

Additionally, as with everything there are ways around ITAR.

As long as you are not being an idiot and trying to get stupid shit in then re-shippers will send you whatever you want. Not that I would want any of the stuff that Proneshooter is looking at, but if I did it would take about 5 clicks on a mouse then about 5 days transit before I had it in my hand.

Just saying......

Also, Proneshooter, I assure you I am not deliberately trying to wind you up or knock you. I thought I would mention that, in the extremely unlikely situation that there was one single other person as retarded as neckshot on the forum. Long shot I know, but better to be safe than sorry

If you want more info about re-shippers and who I use, feel free to PM me.

who , this post went south all of a sudden ..... as to my range bag , i got it sent to an american friend , who then onsent it from his home .... midway will not send to the u-shop (nz post) address in the states and they reconise it as a frieght forwarding company that will send items internationally , . , so to bypass the dumb (for a range bag anyway) rules , it works easily .
cheers ...

The level to which ITAR has been aplied is so overboard its not funny , I donot think that was the real intention , but thats what pencil pushers do .

Some of you guys have a idea as to how truelly INSANE it is , some donot.

Amagine this , a Canadian company scared shitless about sending me thier product , WHY , because the little torq screws used in the item , Came from the USA , just donot try to aply logical or reason , as these are now outlawed in the USA .

Later Chris

Good grief! Then again we ARE talking about the USA...the most letigous nation...in the world!

Originally Posted by ChrisF

The level to which ITAR has been aplied is so overboard its not funny , I donot think that was the real intention , but thats what pencil pushers do .

Some of you guys have a idea as to how truelly INSANE it is , some donot.

Amagine this , a Canadian company scared shitless about sending me thier product , WHY , because the little torq screws used in the item , Came from the USA , just donot try to aply logical or reason , as these are now outlawed in the USA .

Later Chris