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Hello. I had a exped 9lw for ever an a day it seemed..it died but Im now looking for something on par with its warmth but nit its Bulkyness.
Can you guys give me some pointers on a good inaulated mat that wont break the bank?
The exped was a little too large in all aspects except when passing out on it after a big day... id call it luxurious!
Im not camping on Snow but the ground is freezing over night.
Much appreciate any tips.. available from NZ stores...
Nemo Tensor 22 Sleeping Mat Regular Insulated
This also appears a insulated via a sheet of material... have you slept in Mid May or Frozen ground with this??
Nothing is going to have a r value 8 and not be slightly bulky....the closest to warmth you are going to get is the thermarest neoairxtherm at 6.9.
I've slept on frozen ground with a yoga matt no trouble.
My go to is an thermarest neoair xlite but it's not a luxurious matt, it's narrow and reasonably loud to sleep on, some people would have a terrible sleep with one.
So many variables but r value is the best indicator of warmth and if you want something on par with your last one it's going to cost you a shit load or its going to be very bulky
Edited post, I meant thermarestQuote:
Originally Posted by Mohawk .308
https://www.bivouac.co.nz/gear/campi...ping-mats.html
Exped Downmat.
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I use a Klymit Insulated Static V Lite Sleeping Mat, 4.4 value at 624 grams. A little fatter but shorter than a jetboil when packed. I’ve slept on it in snow and been snug as
Sea to Summit ultralight insulated is your huckleberry
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Ahoy. Thank you guys.
I got a hold of a Exped 7 down mat...
Thats what Im talking about 😍
Thanks! I have non insulate Klymit..love it.
Next will be a Klymit Insulate.
Thanks
Does anyone put a reflective sheet like a survival blanket on the ground / tent floor under their mat ?. I have been pondering this since reading the thread yesterday
I typed up this same question this morning and got distracted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Make sense to me.
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I often cary an insulated thermorest fold up mat and put that under my air mat, it serves 2 purposes 1: it helps insulte you from the cold ground and 2: it protects the air mat from punctures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Granted I wouldn't bother carrying it on a big walk in I'd just use my air mat, but even then a ground sheet under your tent makes a massive difference for very little weight or bulk penalty.
The only issue I see wit the space blanket/survival blanket is they are super thin (easily damaged) and super noisey, but in a life or death situation I'd probably still wrap myself in the space blanket rather than put it under my mat.
I always carry a survival blanket.
This is what I use under my mat when practicable
https://www.gearshop.co.nz/products/...kaAhmOEALw_wcB
I rekon a Tyvek sheet would insulate as much as a space blanket surely. Placing a mat inside your bivy bag works well.
A survival blanket won't keep you warm on its own you need a heat source a candle is enough. Try it go outside tonight wrap yourself up and light a candle in 10 mins you will be sweating buckets
Soooo long story short..im havin abad run in mats.
Got a good deal on the 7 but it lealked..original model ..so getting refund
But made a mad dash across country last night to hit H and F as it opened.... but alas they did not have the Klymit i wanted...
As luck would finally have it..a lady replied to a Market place ad
Ive not got a Brand New in its paclaging EXPED 5R
And it WILL be amazing.
I love the Expeds.
Im content.
Thanks so much
Have heard guys using the car windsheild foil thing as ground insulation..similiar to what you guys speak of.
I did also have a space blanket but also had wood down in the Hut where the Bro was... i kicked in the door at 530am....
Im happy with my kit an heading out tomorrow!
Will be Posting Tour Light today.
Refunding the Exp7 and unwrapping the Exped 5r.
You have gone from an 8 to a 4.5... good luck
My mate has had two that have failed like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohawk .308
makes the old school closed cell foam $15 jobbies look really good when flashharry one pops on you.
There were a bunch of Aussies using expeds on the snow in wet conditions and obvioisly.over inflating them also whilst wet in which created massive baffle blow outs.. they whinged online for a while about the lack of support from Exped....
Over inflating will pop baffles every day of the week...
They soon gave up after traahing the expeds and moved on elsewhere.....
RE the 8 down to 4.5, i believe im in the 5 realms of R ratings?
I dont hunt in Alpine mid winter really so it is just up until May-ish conditions for it to be used.
In Aus mid winter i often Vehicle base and use a Swag among a mat inside an heavy Doonahs.
Thanks for the Luck...i need it.
Specs of the 5R say -20 ... i hope to be atleast 17 away from that 😀
I thought the windshield reflectors would be a good go, $5 for a test. The reflectorised bubble wrap used for wrapping frozen airfreight would be really good but both add a little to pack contentsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rees
I have a Thermarest Xtherm in reg-wide, it packs down pretty well & is a lot lighter & warmer than my exped Duo.
The Xtherm has some fancy tinfoily type stuff inside it reflecting your heat back to you, made me think you could simply just lay a survival blanket between the ground & your mat?
Someone will get a laugh out of this..
So i drove across country and back, to get a new Mat..
I walked in a day later and it was hot..so i set up my tent and Inflated my new matress....
Well if i wasnt laying on my back on the earth within 2 minutes
......ffs.
Dirty matagouri Spike straight thru the tarp footprint/ tent and into the brand new Mat...
Safe to say - i did a video section about Repairing mattresses then and there
An continued on my sleep 😂😂😂
It was nice to sleep on, felt very warm an did not have any Freezing conditions this week...
R value of 5r is 4.8
Old exped Syn 9 was 6 value but super bulky.
Should be sweet from here on in ha ha
That would have been easy to find.
The biggest issue with puncture repair.
I lost my first Exped down mat to rodents. They ate down the seam.
Used up the repair kit and it sort of holds up but when I inflated it and left it overnight it did get soft so went and got a new one.
Did not want to trust it for 3 or 4 nights on the ground
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My exped downmat has had multiple baffle seams fail. Outside warranty, exped won't do anything about it. Also have a synmat UL, which hasn't failed yet, but have lost confidence in the exped mats. No spare kidneys to pay for a top end thermarest, so looking at others like sea-to-summit and big agnes
Update.
Loving the little exped 5r.
Been in some frosty nights an had no issue with cold ground feels....
It doesnt feel as tuff as the older exped 9 material but its been hole and leak free since my patch up repair.
A joy to pack.
Cheers Gents
You can always stack a closed cell foam underneath an inflatable pad. Meaning you can go smaller and lighter when you don’t need the extra warmth.
Has its cons of having to take two mats in winter but also protects from punctures better
@SoreLegs if you go see the fellas who sell roofing iron and gutttering they buy off cuts of closed cell foam mats by the truck load..Ive got two bits that are from outside of roll,so are sort of sealed like smooth plastic.... more water resistant...both are double width...in small tent we put them crossways so the ydont move at all..... really really really seriously good fun on a gentle snow slope..lay ontop of it and wrap around yourself..no steerage,no way of slowing down no control what so ever but shit I havent laughed so much in my life,just make sure you have a safe run out.
Mate had 3 mats fail recently. Had been keeping them under the roof in the garage. The summer heat got to them and the seams / glue failed.
2 different brands including a thermorest.
Here's a tip for longevity. You need to store them with the valve open. I leave mine folded in thirds so it is not compressed in a packed roll in a big sealed plastic container in my dry garage. Do the same for my quilts, leave them open so they can air and are not compressed (damages down). This also helps with moisture evaporation. Unfortunately when we breathe into them to inflate, we pass on our warm baterial goodness internally. The stuff sacks that double as inflation tools are a better option but meh.