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    Meindl Boot Failure !

    Thought I would see how many folks have had they Meindl Boots sole fail/disintegrate, I love my Meindl Boots & have 5 pairs, some 10yrs old & just had a sole disintegrate on a 4-5yr old pair, that were in 85+ percent condition, very little wear on the sole, lucky it was a 3hr walk, talked to the agent & they said tough get them resoled at my expense, this happens to a lot of them if you don't wear them regularly (one lady said ever day/week) !!!

    Well a lot of people may only wear them once or twice a year & expect (when you paid out over $600) them to be Ok cleaned, oiled & put away till next hunt, you don't wear the same boots for all types of hunt, what if I had been half way home near dark on a Thar hunt, you could die up there in your socks !

    It would also be good if we knew what type of sole was most at risk, I hear it is the "Vibram"in the yellow emblem, same as my 7yr old Burma's which are Ok for now, I have a 12-14yr old pair with the "Meindl Shoes For Active" in the Blue emblem that are still in great condition ?

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    Yes - its a lot more common than we all think/know
    As you know I have been bringing in exc quality "used" Boots from East Europe - Lowa - Meindl - Hanwag - Scarpa etc

    One lot we got from same person - all failed in the Sole
    The material between the Vibram & inner sole turns to mush - like a crumbly cottage cheese texture
    Then the Vibram sole peels off and all this crumbly stuff literally fall out

    Anyway - its to do with storage and age
    One of the pair I sold to a FM - sent them to Meindl here in NZ and they said this

    "boots need to be worn also need to be kept in cool dry place away from humidity"
    He also said (for memory) that the soles are designed to pump - so when in use they circulate air - when not in use and stored damp/humid place they will deteriorate in the area between tread sole and inner sole


    So - yes - paying 5-600 notes then have them fail is not good, why I never buy New
    Make sure they are fully dry and do not use excessive heat to dry them and then keep them in a dry cool cupboard when not used

    So use as much a possible - wear to town or work occasionally - about all you can do

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    Good to have you back@sarvo good info there

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    I’d be really pissed off. Meindl used to have a great reputation for quality and reliability- would not touch them now ! Heard too many stories like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chainsaw View Post
    I’d be really pissed off. Meindl used to have a great reputation for quality and reliability- would not touch them now ! Heard too many stories like this.
    As I said above the 3 pairs I had fail were - Lowa - Meindl and a a pair of Hanwag
    I don't actually think its unique to one Brand in particular

    Meindl - maybe because 70% out there last 20 years were Meindl - so you hear more about them, remember bad news travel wider and faster than good :-)

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    Yeah this happens too our meindls at work, at approximatly 5yrs old the soles peel off regardless of how little use they've had. I spoke to a cobbler and he said that the polyurethane(?)
    impact cushion breaks down over time and has nothing to do with the glue and there is nothing that you can do about it, the boots are made to be worn daily until they're stuffed, not one every three months over 20 years.

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    Hiax are good at it too.
    Overkill is still dead.

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    Yip had my sole fall off when I was working in Canada. Half way through a 12hr hike was not ideal

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    4-5 yr old boots and you are having a go at the supplier really?
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    Common problem. I found the sole off a Meindl boot a long way into the Kawakas once. I bet the owner was pretty pissed off.
    I have heard this BS about "they will fail if you don't use them". If you pay $600 for a pair of boots you expect them to last more than 5 years regardless of how often you wear them. I have a pair of Scarpa's going on 25 years old and they are just starting fall apart now but I now hear Scarpa are advertising their mid soles as "environmentally friendly" because they break down in landfills (and probably prior to that too).
    Experience. What you get just after you needed it.

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    Yup happened to mine the newer ones not the really old ones go figure. Cost me a fortune to have Stager resole them. Left a really sour taste in the wallet.
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    5 years is a pretty good lifespan on a pair of boots really.

    it could be worse, a quick google of the problem and i found this on the lowa site, seems its not uncommon as mentioned above

    Boot Sole Separation (Hydrolysis)
    Sole Units will degrade when your footwear is used only occasionally and is stored for long periods of time. Sole units degrade faster than if the footwear is worn regularly. Hydrolysis is a normal material aging process that occurs in all footwear with a cushioned PU midsole independent of the manufacturer. The process also occurs in automobile, tires, ski boots or helmets and does not represent lower quality or even a quality issue in materials or workmanship.

    There are two types of sole injection technology popular with outdoor boots: EVA and PU. LOWA uses PU Injected Technology, to extend the life of their boots.

    PU vs. EVA
    We use PU on our midsoles. It's a terrific shock absorber, rebounds well, will last longer on the trail and offers better comfort. You will get two to five times the performance life compared to molded EVA midsoles.

    When a PU midsole begins to deteriorate, you'll see small cracks along the injection area, above the sole unit. This is an indication that your boots are wearing out.

    * If you are experiencing sole unit separation, or degradation, please send us an email. Our customer service team will contact you regarding the age of the boots and what steps can be taken regarding the sole separation.

    https://www.lowaboots.com/about-lowa...nty-and-repair
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoped View Post
    5 years is a pretty good lifespan on a pair of boots really.

    it could be worse, a quick google of the problem and i found this on the lowa site, seems its not uncommon as mentioned above

    Boot Sole Separation (Hydrolysis)
    Sole Units will degrade when your footwear is used only occasionally and is stored for long periods of time. Sole units degrade faster than if the footwear is worn regularly. Hydrolysis is a normal material aging process that occurs in all footwear with a cushioned PU midsole independent of the manufacturer. The process also occurs in automobile, tires, ski boots or helmets and does not represent lower quality or even a quality issue in materials or workmans
    There are two types of sole injection technology popular with outdoor boots: EVA and PU. LOWA uses PU Injected Technology, to extend the life of their boots.

    PU vs. EVA
    We use PU on our midsoles. It's a terrific shock absorber, rebounds well, will last longer on the trail and offers better comfort. You will get two to five times the performance life compared to molded EVA midsoles.

    When a PU midsole begins to deteriorate, you'll see small cracks along the injection area, above the sole unit. This is an indication that your boots are wearing out.

    * If you are experiencing sole unit separation, or degradation, please send us an email. Our customer service team will contact you regarding the age of the boots and what steps can be taken regarding the sole separation.

    https://www.lowaboots.com/about-lowa...nty-and-repair
    If the said boots are only being worn for the occasional hunt/tramp, then NO , 5 years is not good enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarvo View Post
    Yes - its a lot more common than we all think/know
    As you know I have been bringing in exc quality "used" Boots from East Europe - Lowa - Meindl - Hanwag - Scarpa etc

    One lot we got from same person - all failed in the Sole
    The material between the Vibram & inner sole turns to mush - like a crumbly cottage cheese texture
    Then the Vibram sole peels off and all this crumbly stuff literally fall out

    Anyway - its to do with storage and age
    One of the pair I sold to a FM - sent them to Meindl here in NZ and they said this

    "boots need to be worn also need to be kept in cool dry place away from humidity"
    He also said (for memory) that the soles are designed to pump - so when in use they circulate air - when not in use and stored damp/humid place they will deteriorate in the area between tread sole and inner sole


    So - yes - paying 5-600 notes then have them fail is not good, why I never buy New
    Make sure they are fully dry and do not use excessive heat to dry them and then keep them in a dry cool cupboard when not used

    So use as much a possible - wear to town or work occasionally - about all you can do
    It cant be to do with storage and age can it? Must be the products they use? Glue etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gibo View Post
    It cant be to do with storage and age can it? Must be the products they use? Glue etc?
    Yea - @scoped above covered it correct

 

 

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