How do you carry out your meat? I could barely fit my overnight gear in a 40L packQuote:
Originally Posted by hunt08
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How do you carry out your meat? I could barely fit my overnight gear in a 40L packQuote:
Originally Posted by hunt08
I use a SPIKA Drover 40L Pack that has a meat shelf so you don't need any room in the pack to put meat in I really like the set up with the meat shelf along off packs are going that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by TimC
Unless you’re trained in how to apply a thoracic cavity wound seal, vented or non-vented, and know how to manage developing pneumothorax you’re deluding yourself about the usefulness of carrying such things. Tourniquets are similar, not much use if you don’t know how to apply correctly under duress. Try applying one to yourself one handed with your offhand for example, see how that goes. For that matter try doing that with an ‘Israeli bandage’. You can carry the flash as gear but basic dressings, bandages, tape etc still do the job plus training and practice. I’m reasonably experienced in dealing with medical trauma and tend to keep it simple what I carry hunting. Just my 2c.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedrex
Absolutely, without adequate training, any first aid kit is pretty useless BUT if you've got a massive bleed on a limb, you want a tourniquet, the SOF tourniquets, specifically Gen5 are designed for one handed application. I do Get your point about thoracic wound seals, it's all about good training BUT this, I'd rather die trying than just sit there and watch myself (or someone else) bleed out or suffocate because I didn't have the gear to make a "try" have some chance of success, back in the day we were trained to seal sucking wounds with a credit card and some tape...... asked what we should do if the wound was too big to be covered by just one the answer was "use a plastic bag"
And just to clarify, I'm not advocating having a massive kit, I agree with you on keeping it simple but I'm particularly stuck on having a tourniquet (and the training) and in our training it was impressed on us "it's up to you, you can just sit there and watch someone die, or you can try your best to keep them alive....and understand that you might not be able to despite your best efforts" I'm not experienced in dealing with trauma but I've been first on scene to a few incidents and yep, training is everything
I am the guy that cuts my toothbrush in half and sands the end off, and has sleepless nights over the amount of toothpaste I've packed. Nerd. But, I reevaluated my medikit recently and added Celox and an Israeli bandage to at least have some means of stemming bleeding. I'm a parent, and have gone to two St John's medical day courses. I travel a lot and carry first aid kits in all the family cars and at home. Rounding a bend to a straight a couple of years ago, there was a car crash in front of me. A head on, in the middle of the country side. I grabbed the medi kit. There were people attending to critically injured people in a couple of cars, and a couple of dead people. Point being, you just never know when a medi kit might be of use.
The biggest risks I've encountered hunting in the bush and mountains is taking big falls. I've had a couple of end over ends in both environments and pack a garmin gps and the medi kit which always travels in my main bag or belt bag, accessible by hand. The thing I've learnt, is "make the right call early" when facing dodgy navigational choices and go the long way around, particularly hunting solo. But, if I get shot, well, my hope is whoever does it has a medi kit with at least some blood stemming gear, or can access mine (I think this is how the military do it - use the downed person's medi kit). I've run into hunters in the bush during the roar which was quite scary, but fortunately they spoke english upon seeing me "Hunter", works a treat as deer haven't mastered human language yet.
So here's mine, it's 200g. The most used items are band aids (get Electoplast, everything else sucks), panadol, ibuprofene and antihistamines. I reckon anyone who is into the outdoors should do a St John's day course and have a well thought out medi kit. That and remember good decision making for what you can control
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where is the best place to get the like of celox from here in nz?
I'm in the boat that most of my injuries have been falls and sprains but the risk of slipping with a knife or something is always in the back of my mind.
By all means get some training but if you’re going to purchase tourniquet, emergency bandage ( Israeli) and the like get more than one. You need to sacrifice one to practice with. A one day first aid course is useful, watching YouTube videos not so much. But familiarity with the gear is what’s needed when the shit happens, otherwise you get a ‘WTF do I do with this’ moment when the pressure comes on. Most people carry this stuff packed away and never looked at because they’re too tight-arsed to sacrifice $30-$60 dollars to break the seal and practice.
Great thoughts @woods223. Agree. I have opened the packages, and practiced, been to the courses, administered first aid, watched youtube... and will be enrolling in SAS training shortly. Sufficient? :yaeh am not durnk:
possibly the vets????.....pighunters carry it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish
I bought Celox on TM.
Who knows these days. The army probably still doesn't care what you think you know. You're an individual that they will mould into what they want you to be, a well trained component of a competent deciplined unit. Or they'll kick your arse down the road. Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snoppernator
You don't enroll in special forces, you simply try and pass selection that has something like a 10% pass rateQuote:
Originally Posted by Snoppernator
Yes, well, for the sake of clarity I was joking about the SAS selection piece. The point I was making is to try to be as prepared as possible for events on the hill. A well stocked medi-kit isn't the answer, but it helps.
many years ago on an outdoor firstaid course the tutor Donna H made comment that has stuck in my mind forever.
" if your walking down a beach nude with just a towel around you and step on broken glass and cut your foot badly..how will you treat it??? thats right,you use the towel..its what you have got on hand to use that counts"
Correct. You don’t enrol but apply to enter selection process, of which the pass rate is low. Standards have possibly dropped somewhat since civilians with no prior training can apply these days. Anyway, back to first aid kit. Only carry what you can competently use, otherwise you’re probably carrying useless shit. Not everyone is trained to level 2 let alone higher levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
Velox packet for $10 in outdoor adventure sports in Ashburton today.had ridgeline stapler next to it.
Yeah celox is good shit. Get the applicator pen thingy too. Saved my mates dogs life with celox a few years ago. The vet was impressed
All off our kits should have it its a shame so many don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by TimC
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Yeah it's just not that well known. I also keep a skin stapler in my first aid kit.
What is it & what is it for I have never heard off it im one that isn't very up on first aid stuff thoQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
basically a glue to make blood congeal..... seen it in lumps like sugar cubes before too....
Yep mines granules like raw sugar. Good for putting in deep holes and lacerations to stop bleeding out. Also worth chucking a tampon in your first aid kit incase you fall onto a sharp branch and put a decent hole in yourself etc.
Im just off on an overnight trip, so thought id chuck up my kit for comparison.
First up the real important stuff. Pack, tent, sleeping bag and mat. Pack is a hyperlite mountain gear 70 litre and weighs 1.1 kg. the tent is a Kuiu summit refuge 3 person. I really like it for its weight and room, and multiple ways it can be erected. IE walking pole, saplings, or rope. It comes in at less than 900grams.
That leaves the bag and mat which bring the weight of this lot too 5.05kg
https://i.postimg.cc/pXmV789G/pack-sleeping-tent.jpg
Then clothes. Ill plan on wearing trousers a lite and a heavier top, and socks underpants etc. I dont tend to count those as weight being carried.
The rest is hat, gloves, another set of socks, a set of shorts which will double as underpants or go over the thermals if I use them, and the set of thermals that lot gos in the yellow dry bag. In the blue drybag is a down jacket with hood.
https://i.postimg.cc/XvknFkhJ/clothes.jpg
Next is my kit. pot has cooker and lighter and spoon inside it. Spare ammo ,rain jacket, gas. Usually id carry 1 canister, but I have a half full one I want to use up. Rangefinder, coffee, compass and bino's, epirb, TP and first aid kit. The cup has soap, toothpaste and brush inside it as well.
Combined with the clothes, this comes too 4.9kg
https://i.postimg.cc/NjTsGckR/cookin...st-aid-etc.jpg
Food
I work on 600grams a day. It consists of A freeze dry meal, 6 muesli bars. 3 for each breakfast. half a bar of chocolate per day, and cheese and salami for lunch.
I dont tend to carry water, but will have an empty powerAid bottle along as well in case i need it.
No photo of that as its in my mates pack as I am carrying something else extra which I dont always carry., But food comes too 1.2kg
This trip We have a river crossing to contend with, so Im experimenting with a packraft which weighs 1.2kg, and with paddle and lifejacket and ropes its 4kg on the dot.
So ordinary weight of pack and kit and food is 11.15kg
With boat and gear and if i was carrying food, weight maximum 15kg, but as im carrying the rifle, my mate will take the paddles and trekking poles, so most likely around 13kg all up.
Rifle, scope, ammo in magazine comes in around 3-3.5 kg
https://i.postimg.cc/vmsQcN0k/boat.jpg
I going to give this to my wife, I’m sure we brought out more from the Timber Trail the other day, than we took in☹️
