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Heard a wee rumour that Southland has banned lead shot for waterfowl in 20g?
Anyone heard anything?
I wonder if fish & game will buy my 20g off me if it becomes policy in my region?
Their support of ridiculous personal agendas may have put me off buying a licence this year, if true.
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Sweet ! I want a cheep 20 g for quail !
whats the quail pop like down your way Munsey.20G are great!
better not come up to the waikato,i like 20g with lead shot:oh noes:
I struggled last season , and not from lack of trying . The season before last there where good numbers . Im hoping that this year they have breed and survived well . The quail are about but finding areas to hunt them is getting harder . The dairy farmers are farming right to the river beads now as land as they use ever scrap of land . The rough edges are really rough and hopeless to hunt . Before the dairying sheep used to graze the gorse and broom and keep it open and grass short . Quail don't do well in the thick rank grass . There are still a few wee spots but not like it used to be .
About time too ,why should 20g be exempt ? Seems like double standards to me.
Well looks like i'll be getting my 28g inserts out if I want to keep shooting. I ain't putting steel shot thru my expensive lightweight 20g U/O and I cant justify a semi 12g for a few times a year. Will just go back to clay shooting instead,
What's 28 gauge ammo worth and availability like mikee?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
My boy is not up too using a 12 yet so may have too look at other options if this stupidity continues.
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I brought some 28g Guagemate Gold inserts for my 20g from these guysQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
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28g ammo from these guys Mai Mai Supplies 28g target ammo
Field ammo from same place or Fiocchi from local shop at $200 per slab
And freight to SI is apprx $20 for 3 slabs to Nelson Mainfreight Depot
Cheers for that mikee.
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the worst part is same as the original lead ban, but even less so , has any hard evidence been produced to support the crusade??:O_O:
maybe you,d like to try driven quail one nite with me munsey:thumbsup:
No Worries, I occasionally use them for sporting clays with the group of "gentlemen" i shoot regularly with. But they say I use a girls gun anyway so using a kids gun is fun too.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Saving for a good U/O in 12g now, have you seen the prices of them, ouch
Sounds interesting ?Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
So many changes in our second favorite sport. Some hands off would be good for a couple of years !!
I love duckshooting. But its not what it was in my time which is bad my times is only a few years ago. Thats how fast its chaning.
Perhaps because the 12 rule is a crock with no evidence or proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Exactly I'm a late starter as well 8 9 yrs and its all changed big time less ducks more rules about the only thing the same is license feesQuote:
Originally Posted by Toby
That'll bloody go up tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Happy
Maybe they will go up, cause there will be alot more guys giving it up. Less birds, more cost. F that.............
Just a troll post to start an argument Cam.
If people really felt that way it would only confirm the unreasonable and selfish attitudes in changing things in the first place.
My major problem with it is, what will they fuckup or take off us next?
Too many fuckheads given authority to bring change for change sake IMO.
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No not at all Dave.
I just have never seen any evidence or proof of bird poisoning or waterway poisoning by lead shot.
The gauge thing is a crock, either its bad or its not. Weather its from a 12 or a 410 makes no difference.
And if it is bad show us some hard evidence.
I dont even shoot ducks/geese and as such see myself as an impartial observer, you may see me as otherwise?
I dont intentionally stir shit here or anywhere else.
I just dont like bureaucracy changing the way we do things for the worse with no measurable gain.
If thier is any positive to come out of the non toxic its probably the denser than lead stuff that has been developed,If you can afford to shoot it.
I dont "troll" anything looking to start a shit fight(none has started from that post?)
Dave if you think Im a "Troll" feel free to block me from this section or any other.
Im passionate about all hunting(even if its not "my thing") and the kiwi way of life.
Sorry Cam! There was a fuck up in my post. It was not targeted at you I totally agree with you.
I quoted the post you did and for some reason it fucked up? To me I reckon that was a post trolling for an argument.
I didn't check it after I posted, my bad.
I'm not a mod anymore either. I resigned that privilege for employment and other reasons.
Sorry for the confusion.
Friggin phone! I still have no decent Internet so stuck on my phone.
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I'm with you Cam, but the real reason they went away from lead is easy to see. Much easier poking the finger at everyone else polluting the waterways if you look like you've done your bit first. The way I look at it anyway. Can't say that I've looked at the history, or anything really, but suspect it would have gone along the line of, "They found lead pellets inside some birds, ... that they shot with lead." Voila, justification.
Nice shit stir Chris, but I'm applying a good coverage of lead everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
It will be rather interesting to see any F&G roasters this year, I'll be running the cunts off for getting in the road of the far more serious pest destruction.....
AND if they try and preach any fucking bullshit about it they will be in for a fright. Pest work goes over the whole place.
1oz of lead in a 12g ( like my Mrs shoots) and 1oz in a 20g is 1oz of lead going ----------------> that way, regardless of how its delivered.
I believe the whole steel shot thing right from the choke 'issues' through to lack of killing and reasoning for 20g to be kept on lead is a crock based simply around the price of lead a few years ago.
There are so many fingers in pies and internal influences around NZ in the F&G and DOC as just 2 examples, that ulterior motives simply cant be dismissed.
The Sth Island is rife with it in many areas
Your right Matt the whole thing is a crock and hypocritical.
You can still pump the same amount of lead with a 20 as you can a 12.
Choking on a whole is a joke as well within reason. I use half and half or tighter with ounce loads for sporting and skeet and only open them up for piece of mind in skeet competitions.
There is way too many contradictory results around the world in regards to the science for lead ingestion in dabbling birds.
There is nothing set in concrete either.
I think it is widely accepted that steel does not kill as well as lead outside 35-40 yards regardless of shot size.
Even pro steel advocates, acknowledge the fact by preaching a change in hunting tactics etc.
To me, shooting decoying birds lacks any challenge in regards to shotgunning and is friggin boring, and not why I like hunting waterfowl.
I like to use a shotgun for what it was intended.
I still chase the odd duck but with no where near the passion I did a few yrs ago.
I am only interested lately for my kids sake.
I no longer have a dog to pursue upland game which I favour above all else.
However after contacting my local ranger I see there will be no ban on lead in 20g on the coast this yr at least so I am happy for now.
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Interestingly water quality would be a FAR bigger issue than a bit of lead in the water for any birds. Why doesn't f&g go after that with a bit more vigour......
Because that wont get whoevers doing it access to the landlocked DOC land with the lodge beside it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
If anyone is interested, there is a thoughtful article in the Sept/Oct issue (issue 132) of NZ Guns and Hunting from Neil Hayes, on the "Demise of the North Island mallard". He has some interesting theories around steel shot and the subsequent increase in crippling from about 7% with lead, to around 50% with steel. If that is true, then there are a hell of a lot more unrecovered ducks dying each year, and may go some way towards explaining the decrease in numbers - particularly where populations are relatvely low anyway.
Waikato is a 3 round max now also
Newsbrief December 2012 | Auckland / Waikato
interesting doesnt begin to describe its like them being flushed but with less warning and more speed:yaeh am not durnk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
Did you get my pm gsp follower?. Far out more speed ! . Love to experience that !
just remember only one f&G region is responsible for this :wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
others supported but did not institute thier own bans most wanted proof.
national councill had already stated that they believed nothing had changed in sub gauge numbers certainly not enough for them to change ''the not yearly review needed ''position they,d instituted.
southland are the zealots here trying to force the rest of the countrys hand along with the national bodies.
i dont believe the enviromental position as if that was thier case a total lead shot ban would be the only tenable principled line:pissed off: