Thread: Burris speedbead/fast fire

Is it worth popping one on a 12g? my current brass bead sight isn't it quite upto it and when i swing out it gets lost, know what i mean? i'm not swinging super fast but i loose sight of it.......

in all seriousness I'd love to pop one on but am not convinced unless someone can convince me their good?

I had something similar called a 'redring' which I didn't like very much. It would have been a decent idea if you could zero the dot (or in my case ring) to the centre of the shotguns pattern.

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

Is it worth popping one on a 12g? my current brass bead sight isn't it quite upto it and when i swing out it gets lost, know what i mean? i'm not swinging super fast but i loose sight of it.......

in all seriousness I'd love to pop one on but am not convinced unless someone can convince me their good?

If you are looking for a bead when swinging a gun, you are well behind the 8 ball as far as shotgunning is concerned. Your barrels should be an after thought and a blur of reference in your peripheral vision. The target should be you only concern and focus.

Originally Posted by R93

If you are looking for a bead when swinging a gun, you are well behind the 8 ball as far as shotgunning is concerned. Your barrels should be an after thought and a blur of reference in your peripheral vision. The target should be you only concern and focus.

Bum belly beak BANG!!!!!

Originally Posted by baldbob

Bum belly beak BANG!!!!!

Quack! quack! quack! Typical swing thru result unless your name is George Digweed I could never hit shit with that style unless its long.Great for long crossing shots once you work out gunspeed.

Originally Posted by R93

If you are looking for a bead when swinging a gun, you are well behind the 8 ball as far as shotgunning is concerned. Your barrels should be an after thought and a blur of reference in your peripheral vision. The target should be you only concern and focus.

yea i know but basically all my barrel is is one of those blurs and I'm struggling with getting multiple targets, luckily i have a coaching session on tuesday morning

Originally Posted by R93

Quack! quack! quack! Typical swing thru result unless your name is George Digweed I could never hit shit

Originally Posted by R93

Quack! quack! quack! Typical swing thru result unless your name is George Digweed I could never hit shit with that style unless its long.Great for long crossing shots once you work out gunspeed.

pwith that style unless its long.Great for long crossing shots once you work out gunspeed.

Its I was taught wen I was learning to shoot the shottie... In reality I shoot very different... I think most of it is having a shotgun of proper fit.... As when you have a good fit it just naturally comes into correct position and pattern goes where your eye defines.. So it just becomes a matter of look swing, gauge lead, boom....

I agree with R93 often shotties had an end bead and centre bead, in my mind the only value was when using them as a guide when practicing mounting to show if the mount was level or not in relation to head position. As long as mount and head position correct then the barrels should always be on target in relation to where you are looking. Remember when you shoot clays you are fixed on the clay not the end of the barrels, no difference with anything else.

Not sure i think trying to go from one target to another in a mob of birds makes any difference.

Funny how different people use different methods though, I could never do well with the whole sustained different leads thing, I just try and move the shottie through the target and once in front of head pull trigger, prob why I have my fair share of misses , ha !

Im no pro when it comes to shotgunning, but have mates that are, interesting when you ask them what the do when they are smashing quails one after another. They cant really tell you. They have helped me by fitting me to a gun , that is number 1. A laser boar sighter helped , adjusted the shims so where i looked was right on target, what was strange to me as when i used the rail and bead i was under target every time. So now im not aware of my bead and as long as i shoulder my gun the same every time im on. Still long ways to go, but vast improvement.

hmmm shit yea I think ill do patterning session this arvo at 30yards just to see what its doing because hell i know i'm squeezing the trigger where i should be, I'm putting it down to inexperience and just getting practice with it

Originally Posted by baldbob

... In reality I shoot very different... I think most of it is having a shotgun of proper fit.... As when you have a good fit it just naturally comes into correct position and pattern goes where your eye defines.. So it just becomes a matter of look swing, gauge lead, boom....

I agree, the only advantage of these 'aids' is that they are parallex free and therefore will make up for inconsistant mounting and/or poor gun fit. My advice would be to practice mounting your gun and see if the sight picture (bead/rib etc) always looks the same, if not keep practicing until they do. Then fire a few shots at a patterning board and see where if the pattern is centred where you are aiming, if not then you need to do a bit of stock fitting.

mint,well the coaching lesson on tuesday should fix that

Gunfit is all well and good when you wear similar clothing to what you were fitted in, all the time. Most people dont. Serious clay shooters generally do. Most game guns on the market have a reasonable short LOP and a straight stock to accommodate an increase in clothing and standardise fit. There are plenty of after market aids to lengthen or shorten guns to suit the abnormally large or small framed people among us.
IMHO the most important skill and habit you can develop is a perfect gun mount. A smooth, fluid and consistent mount in all situations will bag more game and hit more targets.
keeping your head hard down on stock and never taking your eyes off the target is also a must.
What ever style you shoot to hit a moving target the gun has to be in the same place in the end.
One of the biggest myths is the difference in shooting requirements when going from lead to steel or vice versa. Always cracks me up that one. I have shot the same style as long as I can remember and have never had to adjust anything for either. I dont concern myself with patterns, in fact I have not patterned a gun since I was 16. And I definitely dont worry about what lead I need as it is already calculated subconsciously as I assess the target and mount the gun and fire.
Everyone who is not blind has this ability in them already, they just dont trust what their eyes are telling them.
If your serious about improving your gamebird hunting results as far as shooting goes and missing or wounding less birds then get yourself off to a gunclub, shoot some skeet or God forbid some mudpies and ask for and accept advice that will be given for free. Then choose what suits you and work on it. Of course seek out someone with proven shooting and coaching ability.
If you are still stuggling ask for a recognised coach and maybe you have to pay a small fee in order to improve your sport and confidence.

Originally Posted by R93

Gunfit is all well and good when you wear similar clothing to what you were fitted in, all the time. Most people dont. Serious clay shooters generally do. Most game guns on the market have a reasonable short LOP and a straight stock to accommodate an increase in clothing and standardise fit. There are plenty of after market aids to lengthen or shorten guns to suit the abnormally large or small framed people among us.
IMHO the most important skill and habit you can develop is a perfect gun mount. A smooth, fluid and consistent mount in all situations will bag more game and hit more targets.
keeping your head hard down on stock and never taking your eyes off the target is also a must.
What ever style you shoot to hit a moving target the gun has to be in the same place in the end.
One of the biggest myths is the difference in shooting requirements when going from lead to steel or vice versa. Always cracks me up that one. I have shot the same style as long as I can remember and have never had to adjust anything for either. I dont concern myself with patterns, in fact I have not patterned a gun since I was 16. And I definitely dont worry about what lead I need as it is already calculated subconsciously as I assess the target and mount the gun and fire.
Everyone who is not blind has this ability in them already, they just dont trust what their eyes are telling them.
If your serious about improving your gamebird hunting results as far as shooting goes and missing or wounding less birds then get yourself off to a gunclub, shoot some skeet or God forbid some mudpies and ask for and accept advice that will be given for free. Then choose what suits you and work on it. Of course seek out someone with proven shooting and coaching ability.
If you are still stuggling ask for a recognised coach and maybe you have to pay a small fee in order to improve your sport and confidence.

I am going for the latter option, no 2 ways about it! coming from a pure rifle shooting back ground I'm forcing myself to learn a whole different kettle of fish, such as breathing for example... I think for the time being a set of those truglo sights which work only when your head is in the proper position should do the trick.... next year when i have a fabarm xlr5 i'll worry about pimping it out and giving it bells and whistles lol!

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

I am going for the latter option, no 2 ways about it! coming from a pure rifle shooting back ground I'm forcing myself to learn a whole different kettle of fish, such as breathing for example... I think for the time being a set of those truglo sights which work only when your head is in the proper position should do the trick.... next year when i have a fabarm xlr5 i'll worry about pimping it out and giving it bells and whistles lol!

Good on you. I hope you get a lot out of your lesson and coach. If he is a mudpie specialist your truglo sights will come in handy