pinched this but it was worth it some common sence finally
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pinched this but it was worth it some common sence finally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGQchcm2mpY
Goodbye steel shot? How long will that take?
Just like how Sodium is bad, Chlorine is bad, but Sodium Chloride is tasty.
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i doubt it will but lets be honest the cockup was made at the start .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
lead if banned as proven bad should have been gauge wide and use wide ie over land at gunclubs and all at the same time.
the subgauge exemptions were more about creating a money making niche for gun suppliers that in some ways worked but perhaps not in the numbers hoped.
look at the recent championing by certain sorces of thier newly imported 28 gauges??
if that had happened maybe 20 gauge non toxic would by now be much more available and excepted.
not 39 buks a boxes limited in wieghts and shot sizes and rarer than hens teeth.
"fear is easy to promote...."
Yep that's how Greenpeace make their beans
I wonder how many people actually gave up duck shooting when it changed to steel.
I stopped and haven't been since. Never used steel and won't probably duck shoot again unless it goes back to lead. But then I would have to buy another gun or use the 590 with the ghost rings and sights. Which would be interesting
I was talking to a couple of tourists from Norway about hunting and apparently they have gone back to lead from steel shot.
Perhaps @Norway can comfirm ?
Fascinating this is my area of work after all. I must say that some of the bigger military ranges and shotgun ranges that I looked into definitely had lead escaping via local water ways. But we ate talking TONS of the stuff (millions of rounds) and has it done actual damage??? Hunting on the other hand creates such a wide dispersion of bullets and shot so there is no comparison.
I have used both lead and steel, close range with steel is devastating but further out it is crap.
so basicly theyre gong back to what we have now sans the subgauge exemptions??Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
what i found most interesting was the difference in leads described ie metallic lead and what was in paint and petrol.
i doubt it will but lets be honest the cockup was made at the start .
it totaly undermined the legitamicy of their whole arguement when they let some use lead and created a market for the gun supplyers to exploit the
furore and lack of clear research..
Well that was a waste of 3.5 minutes of my life. A bunch of rifle manufacturers endorsing their own product(in an effort to maintain their current PROFIT margin). No mention at all about lead ingestion by ducks or denial of that. Totally irrelevant post.]
jesus and whose profit margin are you protecting ts
i imagine certain properties with special conditions are shitting themselves after british reports on human lead ingestion via store brought game.??
even tho its with nary a proven health impact the fact the that the steel/lead furore might effect the toff end of the sport must have certain factions checking thier marks and spencers:D.
waterfowling bieng the province of the lower classes after all not driven like our sport old chap.
the hardest case part is how the steel lovers point us at thier beloved research and castigate us for questioning the gaps or incoMpleteness of it.
yet this is the exact reason norway has done what it has ''THE RESEARCH IS NOT THERE''
BUT ANYTHING they dont like or doesnt fit thier view of life is fallen on like rabid dogs.:yaeh am not durnk:
there are genuine people in both debates follow those not the snipers vested interest compromised or the outright paid.
Yes that is correct. Lead in the shape found in shot/ammunition is very stable and they can't find any extra lead in people eating game shot with lead ammunition.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
There is still exceptions - waterfowl, trap ranges et.
Haven't really read up on that...
so basicly norway theyve gone back to what we have excepting the gunclubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
i think the most ludicrous part of the whole thing even for those that only go to the duck shooters clay days is trap/skeet steel was never available or allowed to be used.
practise practise practise how but on birds as even if you wanted to shoot clays off your own bat you couldnt get the smaller sizes .
which would have at least enabled you [mr joe average not the high number gunners who shoot every second day] to get some idea of the different techniques lead,s etc to be a more humane effective hunter..id bet thats just as much a lot of gunners motivation against steel not so much they cant kill with it but they hate that they seem to wound much more with it.
ive met very few gunners who would/could abide inhumaneness to any animal;especially those they hunt.
. can you tell us if in norway the steel changes were all at once??
In my observation, lead pellets will encapsulate under the skin...steel will not...anyone eating a gamebird is very unlikely to eat a pellet anyway...unless one was a complete glutton...the ivories could suffer though!!!
Apparently meat is not good for you anyway...:o
gsp follower + common sense = oxymoron
glutton here then eebees:DQuote:
Originally Posted by EeeBees
i had a xray many moons back and the said''radiologist your a hunter a ??
''yes howd you know that''
''you,ve got lead pellets in your belly''
''anything to worry about''replies i .
''no they pass right thru eventually''
thank you for you insight bremicQuote:
gsp follower + common sense = oxymoron
presumembly you include the parts of europe going back in your insult.
can you explain to me why gunclubs are dead against steel??
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Originally Posted by gsp follower
:D!!
Of course they'll pass through, you don't have a gizzard designed to grind them up like a duck has!Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
You've only got to go and see the layout of a skeet field and the angles you shoot on(Particularly on stations 1, 7 and 8) to see ricochet towards people on other fields or spectators is the concern.
cant see it on one mike isnt that where you start by the 1st house.
yes if shoot gunclubs with multiple fields i guess its possible of the houses .
but some clubs in america seemed to have solved the problem as have others
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Please note, MCTC only permits the use of Steel Shot on the grounds as of 1st March 2013. Lead is not permitted.
We usually hold a BBQ after shooting has ceased so even if you’re not directly involved in the shooting turn up, have a sausage & drink and enjoy the company.
By law, all shooters must:
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have a 0.00 blood alcohol level to operate a firearm, and
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not be under the influence of prohibited drugs, and
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not be under the influence of prescription drugs for psychological purposes, and
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be of sound mind and body (manageable physical disabilities are acceptable), and
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not have a criminal record related to violence or firearm offences, and
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not suffer from a medical condition, such as epilepsy or acute hypotension, which may lead to a temporary loss of consciousness and / or control.
shit a lot of duckshooters would be excluded then:yaeh am not durnk:
guess where theres a will there,s a way mike:ORLY:Quote:
Highland Deephaven Clay Pigeon Club
The club is now, by law, required to use steel shot as the shot falls over wetlands. This means all practices and competitions will be alternative shot only and anybody found using lead shot will be stopped shooting, warned and disqualified from competition.
[QUOTERe: lead
Reply #94 - Yesterday at 10:17am Miroku wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 4:22pm:
Its plain to see, everybodies situation is different. Ive shot for years over a pond with mainly decoying birds and had good results, than I changed to steel when we were required, My bag decreased rapidly and the time spent recovering wounded birds increased. ( Using a dog ) I almost gave it away in dispair. I hate wounding game, ( By the way Im an AA grade sporting clays shooter ) 2 years ago I converted to using a 28g O/U using lead, My harvest went back to pre steel numbers, with almost no wounded birds. I no longer shoot over that pond. Now I jump shoot with the 28g over drains and puddles in paddocks and enjoy the season . Just come back UK , where once again lead is allowed for wild fowling except in designated reserve areas . Mainly breeding areas for native / endangered species . A study in the UK concluded that steel shot , when it rusted away in waterways released heavy metals like nickle and cadmium, and these presented a greater danger to the waterways than the inert lead, which often occurs naturally in greater quantities than in areas shot over by hunters . "FOOD FOR THOUGHT "
That doesn't mean much. It simply means you shoot over 80% on claybirds at club organized shots. The true AA guys shoot over 95% at national events. I know some of them and they use steel without any issues.][/QUOTE]
not at the gun club tho:yaeh am not durnk:
aint it funny how you can pick and choose when its suits.
a choice you decry for others:ORLY: