best joke youve made in ages hahah:D:thumbsup:
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best joke youve made in ages hahah:D:thumbsup:
The research has shown that all but a few hunters fail to achieve the daily bag limit. So total hunter harvest and it's relationship to Gamebird populations is not a function of bag limits.
By all means, shoot one bird and feel good about 'leaving some for the next guy'.....but the reality is, it won't actually mean more birds around for next year. Species management cannot be distilled down to simply adjusting the bag limit or season length.
does that even make sense ??? most guys shoot their bag limit of?????? pheasant or duck ??? very different
From annual hunter harvest surveys which includes all gamebird species.
for any gamebird,all year round habitat is essential for their survival.people pressure through land clearance for housing,agricultural practises of spraying and edge clearance,as in the ugly bootprint of industralised dairying,means that gamebirds won't survive.we expect a lot,but what are we doing to enhance upland game habitat?in the 40 years i have been shooting, bird habitat has been less and less every year,plus there are now a lot more pesticde toxins in the environment.the future is not good.education would be a start.
i just got off the phone with a gent who has been involved with acclimatization society / fish and game for over 40 years . i have asked him to send me an email of his long history of bird shooting in the lower west coast region of the north island -next week he said he would so that will be insightful i hope .we chatted about how in the uk farmers are paid to leave their drains open but sided with weeds and hedge rows wider --they understand conservation of birds . farming has defiantly destroyed much good land and will keep happening with the consistent loss of bird life sadly
my friend mentioned that Taranaki region i think he said puts something like 80% of monies collected back into game back on the ground ... dont quote me but i will confirm that
Unlikely. Looking at their Operational Budget, Taranaki F&G annual expenses Exceeds their revenue and so are subsidized by other Regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
They do spend approx $30k on the hatchery and releases, but 75% of their budget is spent on salaries, the next highest expense being buildings (lease presumably) and vehicles.
WOW .... THATS A SHIT LOAD but 75% of their budget is spent on salaries, the next highest expense being buildings (lease presumably) and vehicles.
Ill check and clarify what my friend told me --who it was he was talking of
Taranaki region is not alone. If the purchase of a Gamebird license was voluntary and people bought them based on their perception of the value that F&G provides to the species under their management, then no one would buy one and F&G would have been bankrupted years ago.
All of the above just re-affirms my belief that if we want to continue to harvest at the rate we do, then we need to put back more than what our license fee allows others to do on our behalf; be it by trapping, planting, seeding birds.... the future is in the hands of users rather than govenors.
then it's time to address the whole situation.
those govenors have ridden the coat tails of the work put in years ago for far to long.... time for them to spend what money they do have left to replenish the larder.
the larder is full of toyota hilux's. the thing is who will represent , who will have a vision and knowledge to put a plan forward .l who can pition government for farmers to alter how they clear land without a provision of the hunter in mind . modernization will be the assassin of bird shooters and the shell be right attitude the cancer of growth .i dont have the knowledge to do it but will give my vote to someone that does
Its private land, so who are we to dictate to farmers how they should operate. In NZ, the gamebird provides no incentive to landowners to manage for their benefit….quite a different situation exists in Europe where there is the incentive for landowners to manage in the interests of gamebirds and the flow-on effects to other species also.
as nz law stands about private land yes , i dont go along with the private land model personally but thats not a forum conversation . yes , farmers could be paid to be more bird hunter friendly !!
habitat preservation is the key to upland gamebird survival,shelter, food ,water for 12 months of the year, it won't work if its only for 10months. landowners should be given an information pack on the what to do,vegetation plantings etc. a good percentage of owners i think would be interested,subject to cost and labour restraints, after all enhancement does have property value benefits as well as a host of other pluses. this probably has been tried before albeit on a limited scale.what needs to happen is a movement ie.game bird new zealand???? etc.....
So then as Snuffit says above, if we as hunters want or expect more, then we need to be doing more. That may range from providing farmers with the incentive to retain hedges and drains, swampy edges and other marginal areas which could quite legitimately be turned into more productive (for the farmer) land.
A slight tangent, but there was an interesting discussion last weekend at the A/W F&G meeting.....we know that for the last 10-20 years, F&G have rested on the laurels of the predecessor Acclimitisation Societies and contributed very little to the improvement of the gamebird species under their management. Now, with the declining Mallard population, there has been a ground-swell of support for proper research to understand why this has occured and to determine how to halt and ultimately reverse this decline. So we've seen $300K in cash and a further $300K in staff time committed to this research program to be spent over 3 years.
But lets put that $600K in context....in that same time period, F&G would have taken approximately $10M in gamebird licence sales.....in other words, F&G is investing a whopping 6% of their total revenue in an issue which could ultimately see 'Fish & Game' be renamed to 'Fish'...............
Plenty of farmers are retiring land, doing riparian planting, conserving tracts of native bush etc at their expense. Not necessarily to provide gamebird habitat but to protect waterways etc. The agricultural sector may well be making a profit off their land but how else is the burgeoning human population to be fed? Urban sprawl and the pollution that goes with it is as much if not more to blame for reductions in gamebird populations. Sub divisions and lifestyle blocks have chewed into what was once a rich gamebird area around our district for example.
is it a matter of voting out certain members and replacing them with others ??
But why is it always a 'farmer/landower' thing...what of the hundreds of miles of public land along our waterways for which we have F & G access?
Not to get into details but are we talking about $10m Revenue per annum???Quote:
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While the reinvestment was $600k over 3 years???
If so, that puts us well below 6%.
Sort of winds me up when you hear these thing, especially when I end up buying a gamebird licence, plus a fresh water fishing licence... What goes for what really???
I've bought a fishing licence every year since old enough and a gamebird licence also. F&G have drunk some coin off me and I have never seen a ranger and the river I fish mainly is not stocked by F&G and the birds I shoot are on private land mainly mallards and parries.
oi, game bird diary you lot, take your politicking and bugger off to a new thread. :)
Might just do that and add to the fishing thread:D I never mentioned 'polidicks' ticks:)Quote:
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Heard this fella crowing away in the back paddock
While dropping the gearbox out of the hiluxury.
Was sick of floundering round under the car so
Grabbed The gun and released a hound .
5mins later bang! Dog on point.
When I get there the rooster jumps 5 metres
Off to the left and deftly put the hedge between
Him and me.
I saw where he pitched In though and the end
Result was another cracking point followed by
One dead pheasant.
It ain't such a bad place to live really.
Hope to have similar luck tomorrow on a Hawkes Bay Rooster or 2
It was a privilege and a pleasure to shoot over Oscar and get his first pheasant.
Seen 2 cock birds and 3 hens.
Been an awesome trip north with an awesome host.
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nice, did he go 30 bars?
32 bars. Small spurs tho.
That's good to hear, a young bird that's grown well in his short time. Nice work R93 and Oscar. Oscar has his fathers head!
@R93. Pretty slick shooting thats for sure.Quote:
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He is a different dog away from home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
Has heaps of natural ability and drive.
Cast and ranged well when hunting into wind.
Pretty impressed with him. Wish I got a pup when I had the chance, off Ryen before he went home to the states.
Maybe I will get one of Oscars pups one day.
Got to be happy with that. Classy dog and shotty doing the business. Thinking I will do a roady up there next year, have plenty of access to forestry.
Very nice indeed R93.
+1 was just about to ask the same question....crackin bird, well done!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
Nice cock dave, sadly i doubt thats the first time a bloke has said that to you :XD:
Bwaaaah haha haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Not my first pheasant either mate[emoji106]
Admire your honesty mate.:D Awesome looking rooster :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
