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There are some grumpy folk around over this, my brother in law on the Coast said this is the last straw for Labour, he’s voted labour his whole life but between this and the ban on mining, etc the coasters have had enough! Was telling me about a certain f&b member who runs a eco lodge and how the river he is on is for the chop for whitebaiting as he doesn’t like seeing them, dirty deeds being done.
And the coast is where the party started.Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlad
I always thought the whitebait debate was , one egg or two,when making patties???
I dont chase bait myself but its a little like shooting ducks rules wise
once upon a time you could shoot ducks on the water but werent allowed cartridge longer than 2 3/4"
then water swatting was out and longer cartridges were in...more "sporting"
then steel shot came in and the bigger cartridges became normal.....loads of folk myself included have gone back to 2 3/4"
at the end of the day a bag limit is that...a limit on size of bag....who really gives a shit what the feathered little huas are doing when they meet thier demise???really what difference does it make???
same with your sock nets....if a quota is brought in,say 5kgs per person per day HOW that is caught is irrelevant as long as the existing rules to give others a whack further upstream are kept in play.
if you scoop 5kgs in first 10 minutes of the day...thats it you go home...and if you arent in your possie by 8am someone else can use it FOR THAT DAY...same as a maimai.
the not being able to sell it commercially is a thorny one BUT should do more than all other rules combined to reduce overall catch......which is the stated long term goal.asumably you could still give some to your mates for a donation as long as its come out of your say 5kgs per day...but couldnt sell it to fish n chippie to onsell.
thats what banning market gunning did for waterfowl ,using a punt gun to get your current bag limit(and no more) in some regieons would be problamatic but a heck of a lot of fun.
Seems to me the goal is to stop rec white baiting other wise banning the sale would be the quickest way to lower the take.
This is from an outsider looking in with no personal axe to grind
It is habitat destruction that is the important issue. Reducing the take won't make a difference if the habitat is not there for growth to maturity and spawning. On the West Coast a big issue has been an insecticide spray used on landcorp (and other) farms for grass grub which runs off into streams. It is a modern replacement for DDT.
On the SI East Coast many natal streams are devoid of tucker and we never see adult inanga anymore. Polluted with nitrates - black algae on the stream stones
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
There are huge amounts that get past the nets, particularly once the season has finished. They are just having trouble with breeding territory.
Fishing is not helping the species that are endangered. If the natal streams where the endangered species do survive are identified then those streams should be closed to fishing. Each specie will occupy a different habitat.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
I still hate picking out the eyes! Are there still a lot of “Elve?” Baby eels caught while white baiting? We used to eat them as well, but there were heaps in throwers in the Wairarapa
I am not sure you can ever get realistic data out of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Look how hard it is to get people to use the tahr app.
Yeah man, it's a virtually unregulated commercial fishery, it needs to be managed.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Habititat will be a primary driver but that is a much harder problem to deal with, easing the load on the mortality rates through fishery management to allow time to make the harder and more expensive changes to restore habitat is a reasonable response.
Tbh I though doc was going to go harsher than they did.
Our entire fishery management systems need a huge overhaul, look at so many of the stocks that sit pretty much in a constant and steady decline. Our baselines need to be raised so we have more breading stock in the ocean to support the ever increasing pressure on the stocks.
They have been trying to make it commercially viable for ages, not a bad thing if they canQuote:
Originally Posted by muzza
Good point , perhaps that is why they haven’t mentioned banning the sale as they want to farm them , great idea .Quote:
Originally Posted by muzza
IMO the fishery needs to be managed. DOC who manage it at the moment dont have the resources or the manpower to do it. Maybe fish and game would be better. The commercial sale of whitebait needs to be stopped and the breeding habitat also needs to be protected. Poor old Joe blogs that only goes down to get a feed for the family dose not need to be penalized.
I've never been whitebaiting and doubt I ever will, but that is a good post. Who could disagree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutty
People with a vested commercial interest in selling the stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
True. That's a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
the big one I see is that in the case of the west Coast they want to prohibit whitebaiting from basically every waterway.
This bugs the locals greatly as it is another slap in the face from the eco warrior politicians.
They cant do bugger all there now. Extractive industries are a no-no. They go through the appropriate consents only to get vetoed by Sage.
Forestry is screwed compared to what it was and farming is starting to get a bad rap as well.
They feel like they are under attack from the townie greenies and their vote doesn't count so they have the shits with this especially considering there is little on-paper research to back its justification.
If you cant guess I am en ex-pat west coaster. I didn't go back there after moving home form OZ due to lack of long term work.
And whilst I do occasionally like a feed of whitebait, I'm not too worried. haven't had a feed in over 2 years and certainly don't fish for the stuff.
In the Coast's case it seems to be just another blanket ban by a government who doesn't care about them and their voice doesn't count
Considering the goings-on since march does it not sound familiar?
It is the whole south island. Not just the Coast. This current government has us all fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
The only support they get in the south is from liberal robots who live in our major cities and wouldnt have a clue or care what happens outside of their pathetic bubbles. They believe everything they see or read from a fake media.They will sign anything in order to look good, virtue signalling to their like minded mates.
Labour can buy votes just by shelling these pussies in populated areas with promises they never intend to keep. Expectedly the towny sheep are too fucking dumb to notice they have been screwed and keep voting for them. What is something positive that this current government has accomplished in the last 2 1/2 years that most of NZ is happy with? All I see is ban this and ban that. Eradicate this, we know whats best.
As far as the coast goes, I heard a rumour that tourisim is now bigger than dairy on the coast. Unbelievable. This amazing part of NZ is nothing like I grew up in. People are still the same but something is off. I cant put my finger on it.
Labour goverment is founded on the Coast but for the last 30 or so years they have just constantly shit on their roots with extremist ideas and destructive socialist policies. Its only going to get worse.
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@R93 say what you feel mate. Don't Hold back.
But dead right-basically what I said but with more passion.
Follow the $$ the west coast regional council brought into 1080 plants ...that are turning a profit! The same people give consent for 1080 drops all over the west coast, again and again and again.
That aside if you will ....as a good mate pointed out, whitebait are the thin edge of the wedge. Given another term we will have salt water fishing licenses, boat registrations, and who knows what else this is just another form of taxation by stealth.
Maybe I shouldn't have generalized my comment. Commercial sales of (wild whitebait ) should be stopped because IMO, its not right and the greed factor is very much in play. A quota system may work if there is some re search done into it about sustainability. If people that arent able to catch whitebait want to have some then there are aqua farms around that sell it or you can by overseas bait from some of the major supermarkets.