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Just another idea i know about the no politics it came to us we didnt go seeking it out but if theres a section the opely states in the title it has political subjects and you dont like discussing it dont visit the thread if im scrolling through the threads on here i only go to the ones that intrest me try it
Ha ha what a weird comment, you obviously don't agree with the why or the way this place was built.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Well frankly I don't when the matters being affected directly concern the interest group identity that we suscribe to....
Sure keep general politics and religion off it if you want - but in case you haven't noticed our society has changed. These forums are almost the only opportunity for our community to have a public voice. The media sure aren't interested in allowing us to represent our perspectives. Sure moderate the irrational, but robust contribution concerning legal and constitutional matters that directly affect us seems important to me. At the very least as a source of infomration to the wider group.
You can pretend its all just the same, but it isn't. And frankly returning to the constant dribble and bullshit about waikato beer pretending that is something that worth bothering with will only confirm the inevitiable. You only get two choices and whether you like it or not, remaining relevant is about the only way to remain relevant.
Certainly agree about the beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
Yep, that's ^^^ pretty much how I see it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
Our world has changed, Tarrant and the politicians have seen to that. VERY IMPORTANT that we all stay informed and in touch as I fear as "they" (anti gun & politicians) aint done yet, not by half. We need to be willing to stand up for what we hold dear & enjoy, and not let some muppets in Wellington driven by their ideology take away those rights and privileges that we share. Silence will be deemed to be agreement.
No, we dont need irrational raving (political or religious) but by god we need a common voice.
I also look forward to more hunting and shooting stories and general banter ..... its good to see this coming back to the fore.
There are real genuine people using their real names, talking real sense on these gun issues and advocating for everyone, but using other and more impactful platforms to do it. Those you condemn here might just be some of them. They are the brave hearted.Quote:
Originally Posted by keneff
Fit the the fuss to the forum. Not the forum to the fuss.
I see what you did there :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Dunno about that given some of the rabid stuff on here I'd rather not be associated with. People need to remember we shouldn't be giving the hand-wringers and antis any more ammunition than they have already been handed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Gibo look what you have gone and done. Now Sidney and Tahr are maligning our favourite beverage. I am gonna let it slide for the moment but any more low blows will see me bring out my soap box and then shit will really get political. Ha ha ha ha
@6x47: A serious question: given what 'they' have already done without any ammunition from the firearms community members that are apparently to be deplored, and given that minds are already made up in Beehiveville and Cahill Central about what they intend next - does anyone really think that if we all play nicely in words (words are all that appear on the forum...) 'they' will ease up? Sheesh.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
Why not just ban the people the bien-pensants here consider rabid. Start with me. Just do it. That will please Angry Andy and Confiscate'em Cahill just for a start. Although, personally I'd have thought the way to dissociate oneself from things one does not agree with posted on this forum would be to put out there in a reasoned fashion why we 'should' all be criminalized this way because of an Australian import allowed in by NZ Immigration and vetted by NZ Police etc., so forth. And why speech that people disagree with should ipso facto be considered evidence of not being fit and proper. And so forth. Because that's the script the gun collection process is following so far.
I also wonder how many other people there are who, like me, have written carefully polite and reasoned submissions at the time, and since have followed up multiple times in different fora in polite (one-way*) dialogue with Ministers and MPs and other Govt / public servants, yet cannot get any traction or engagement with those people who are now deciding our future as FAL-holders... (*The reason the dialogue is one-way is because out of 21 (so far) such phone and written engagements, only 3 were even acknowledged, with only one of those attracting a (form) letter in return which addressed none of the concerns in my letter.
Can we PLEASE go back to the no politics version ?
See what is happening already ? Guys like keneff are leaving because they cant handle people having different views...
Do we really want the forum to become a "safe space" for only those who buy into one particular political view ?
Seriously guys, STOP the political shit and go back to talking about firearms, hunting and outdoors.
I can’t go hunting and shooting ebf. My guns are now illegal. I can’t buy more. I can’t sell them. I can’t export them (I checked with Customs).
When did avoiding the difficult issues result in everyone just getting along exactly? This has been a common occurrence through the entire time that this forum has existed. Despite the no politics/religion policy.
Pretending something doesn't exist isn't a solution. Learning how to be robust and not throw tantrums is a far better outcome. That requires practice, not pretending.
By the way - where do all the balls and kids go after they leave the sandpit?
There are still many, many firearms that are "legal".Quote:
Originally Posted by sightpicture
The only thing stopping you from going out and buying one and enjoying hunting or shooting is ... YOU
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Originally Posted by Rushy
People need to remember a lot of things, Mate. One of them is that you have been deemed "fit and proper" - otherwise you probably wouldn't bother to be here. How long do you think your rights are going to last, things being as they are?Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
Well that cracked me up and made me cackle. Classic humour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
yeah, for the next couple fof weeks, if we're lucky. Where the hell are you coming from, @ebf? Do you have some special exclusion that the rest of us are lacking? Let us know how it feels when the forces for good come to take away your bolt-actions, please? You dangerous gun-owner, you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Good. Grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
If you have large amounts of money to throw away no wonder you don’t GAF. Not all of us can go out and spend that way. If I could sell two to buy one I would but I can’t. Can you comprehend that echo bravo foxtrot?
@keneff, pull you head in
i shot competitive service rifle, so don't go assuming I am not affected by this :yuush:
so currently I can not use semi's, but I am doing everything I can to support the service rifle orgs and continue to attend shoots using a bolt gun.
or I guess I can curl up in a little ball, cry and give up...
well I for one have just about had enough....so many forum users are starting to look like loonie tunes as of late.... (its nearly as bad at the other pub when anyone bothers to walk through the batwing doors).... at least in that establishment the politics HAVE thier own section so its easy to avoid it....
funny just how many still frequent both.......
I do wonder sometimes if people stop and think...a copper will probably be reading this soon...before letting loose with a torrent of abuse... sad state of affairs all around.
take care people.
Well I’m at an age,like Keneff, where I lived through lots of changes in NZ. I have never felt so sad and bad about my country, this knee jerk bullshit has had a severe affect on me personally and I am not affected with any of my firearms, YET. I’ve never been so personally upset by any govt. and I lived through Muldoon, very high interest rates and Aramoana. I’ve endured some hard times and worked hard, paying tax all my life and never taken anything back, except for my pension, which I also get screwed on because I am married and still work.
I’ll thank some these guys for helping know I’m not the only one feeling like this. When I line up this MP next week I hope I can get through to him how not only myself but so many others are feeling the same. Thanks to @Woody for the phone calls!
You young bucks should sit up and take note, you should also make sure your thoughts are conveyed to your MPs, you have many years to live and your freedoms are being eroded at an alarming rate!
Yeah, I have loads of money and I dont GAF :ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by sightpicture
You could take your own advice ebf. You still have a legal gun. Lucky you. I don’t know anyone crying or giving up but no wonder you don’t care because you’re still ‘allowed’ to shoot. Will you be quite so blasé when you can’t? And how do you know which guns will still be legal after the next tranche?
And here we go again......not really in the op theme is it:(
Meh.
Jesus wept.....I truly despair. @ebf, you are another cowering dickwit. PLEASE wake the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by sightpicture
Bugger this !!
Im getting a shang eye
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I love my HUNTING, SHOOTING & FISHING
LETS ALL GET BACK TO IT !!!
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Well keneff we can’t say he hasn’t made his views clear. Every dark cloud’s gotta have its silvered Wormtongue...
I take a more philosophical view of the current discussions - out of chaos will be formed something new - a solution. The current chaos and discussion is just a natural step towards that. Not even one year has passed since the 'Tahr Cull' and after a bit of chaos we got organised, chipped in and were heard.
Bring it on - all the difficult discussions, different opinions, political discussion. Nothing worthwhile in life is easy. Free speech is more valuable to me than my right to firearms. (I have not missed the reason this thread was started) Surely there is nothing wrong with the forum being a place where every member can express their views when such an important issue does come up.
Do what you want, mate, while you can. And I don't care what you've done. Good onya for whatever. What I DO care about is what you can do tomorrow. AND what I can do, or my nephews, or my mate's kid or YOUR kid, or the neighour down the road's kid. But never mind, I might as well curl up in a ball with you other gutless cunts who give a fuck about nothing except yourselves. You just don't get what's happening, do you? Fuckwit ignoramus. Political fodder.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Mate - I know where you are coming from. It is natural to feel that shit has taken a turn against you - and some have used the Forum to vent their disgust or to reflect how they really feel...Quote:
Originally Posted by keneff
I cannot help but feel that this is a natural response mechanism for some people - and accept that this is a realistic response to a feeling of helplessness (having done nothing wrong - how are we now criminals/marginalised/victimised etc - this is a natural response).
My question to you (again, I feel this is a perfectly reasonable response based on what you have stated in a response and the reaction of others).....
I really have to ask - are you OK? (PM me if you need help or want to talk - even if you think I've been a ballbag in the past...)
It is what it is.
If you don't like a post skip over it, don't click on it, you get the idea from the title... So why read it then moan about it.
Choose another thread your more interested in. You don't even have to click "new posts" eg, if you just want to read about varmints, go straight to the varmint, small game section. Skip the rest.
hmmmm agree and disagree, I think someone should call out the crazy if the person is being crazy (we've seen that the last couple of weeks) if we just ignore it it festers and tarrants happen... churQuote:
Originally Posted by bully
I thought you had thrown your toys and left? I'm glad you've stuck around but please don't be so mean to one person if they have a different view.. I'll never call you a fuckwit just because you think differently..... show some maturityQuote:
Originally Posted by keneff
Unlike you @ebf, I don't have a problem with people having differing opinions. I love debate and difference, It's what we are supposed to have a right to. The political shit revolves around what YOU are going to be allowed to do. Bury your head in the bullet stop if you want to, but do not tell me to do the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Not sure why and how this forum was built as I was doing something else at that time. I doubt there is one single reason for any forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
I did not know Toby either. But I did go and read his old posts out of respect before I went and attended his memorial.
Anyway, it's a Hunting and Shooting forum. Personally more interested in shooting than hunting. So, about shooting, as Sidney said, staying relevant to the real world encroaching on our shooting rights is important, saying or thinking otherwise I just don't get. As I said, I'm feeling it with my gun club shut down till further notice. Other gun clubs arsoned, but are they any of my concern? Probably.
Why are ya hanging around. You said you were leaving....go .The doors over there ==>>. Careful it doesn't smack you on the arse on the way out
Read the first post againQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
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