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    $60K bill for starting fire

    Front page of todays ODT is a story about a Dunedin hunter facing a bill of $60K for the suppression of a fire he is thought to have started.
    How many of us can afford to pay that!!!!!
    This is an other good reason to be a member of the NZDA, If he had been this would have been covered under the automatic 3rd party liability cover provided to all NZDA members
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    Yip one of many great reasons to be apart of them.
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    Rural fire reckon the fire was started from a spark from a rifle which is basically impossible to prove. They are looking for a cause and prepared to assume that the rifle started the fire which would surely be fairly subjective in court?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yogi View Post
    Rural fire reckon the fire was started from a spark from a rifle which is basically impossible to prove. They are looking for a cause and prepared to assume that the rifle started the fire which would surely be fairly subjective in court?
    Police reckon is was a rifle too. Poor cnut

    $60,000 fire bill shocks hunter | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News

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    As soon as the total fire ban is in place slap a total hunting ban, that will sort it lol

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    I'd call their bluff and say see you in court.

    Fire Service and/or Police would have to prove it was him who started the fire.

    Probably have to prove it was a deliberate or negligent act on his behalf too.

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    Dunno, it low key sounds like he, or someone in the area, might have been using tracer, which can and does start fires in dry grass. -theres no shortage of mil-surp tracer rounds for the SKS he was apparently using and/or the 7.62 x 39 casings they say they found. That said, you'd like to think that unless they can specifically prove that it was him, in particular, and it definitely caused by tracer rounds, that he couldn't be fined/ convicted
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    The coverage of them pining it on him for ringing it in will just turn people away from calling in a fire if they did it or not regardless

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    It would be a civil matter between the fire department and the accused, only have to prove on the balance of probabilities in civil court I think.
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    Just seen this in the Herald. Fella has said he didn't start it. Fire investigators recon same caliber. How do they know? Did they find a round at ignition point?
    Yep that's a real good reason to pay yr NZDS fees right there.

    I have been involved with a few fire investigations on vessels. They don't always get it 100% right.

    I agree with @Nibblet. You'd be better to get in yr wagon and decamp if that's the result for calling it in, and you haven't started the fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    It would be a civil matter between the fire department and the accused, only have to prove on the balance of probabilities in civil court I think.
    If they try to prove it as a deliberate act does it make it criminal? And is there a point when they can no longer go down that route?

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    If they're trying to prove Arson which requires intent then yes, but that would be a Police matter, Fire service just have to show that he was negligent in his actions which had foreseeable consequences in order to claim costs. Imagine if Police could do the same, a murderer would owe millions.

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    If the dude was using tracer then that is just dumb. If he wasn't then I am buggered if I can see how anyone could prove it was him or even establish that on the balance of probabilities it was more likely to have been caused by him than any other person or other possible ignition source.
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    Yea using tracer rounds in dry weather would not be a smart move. I did note he was a painter.....b

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    Yes Tracer is a good fire starter, set fire to Waiouru a few times with it. 7.62 tracer especially. Wold really require witnesses and forensics to prove which would be expensive...

 

 

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