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Thread: Aerial vs trapping costs

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    Aerial vs trapping costs

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    Shitstorm on its way to this thread.

    But that sums it up fairly well, while it also excludes the fact that some areas just can't be trapped due to topography.

    Traps should be used more, in fact I just donated 10 co2 traps to a project, but they will never be the full answer some make them out to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    Are you bored good Sir, looking for some entertainment?

    Seriously though we should trap where we can, bait where we can't trap.

    Trapping is more labour intensive and therefore must cost more dollars, but less environmentally.

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    Ok @Cyclops, assuming the cost analysis is correct or close to it, what parts of the conservation budget would you reduce to pay for the additional expense ?

    Not bored at all, found the video interesting and keen to hear other people's views.

    If folks want to create a shitstorm, then nothing I am going to say will stop them from doing it
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    So where did he get the costings from?
    Looks like he is paying his trappers to set them traps.
    When was the last time some one paid a trapper to set traps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideshow View Post
    So where did he get the coatings from?
    Looks like he is paying his trappers to set them traps.
    When was the last time some one paid a trapper to set traps?
    Exactly my thoughts.
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    This may have been covered before in other threads, but what about a bounty system?
    $5 a possum $1 a rat $5 a stoat. Don't think you could put cats on there as every granny's cat in the neighbor hood would be paid out on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sideshow View Post
    So where did he get the costings from?
    Looks like he is paying his trappers to set them traps.
    When was the last time some one paid a trapper to set traps?
    It's public info from the halfmoon project, I'm sure if you google you will find it.

    He is talking about paying the trappers, as they are trying to trap down to zero population density and that's just not economical for fur recovery-as has been said.
    What's not costed in this is what they would have sold any recovered fur for from trapping, I'm sure that it would be a little.

    Doc pays trappers regularly, often there own staff
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    Ok @Cyclops, assuming the cost analysis is correct or close to it, what parts of the conservation budget would you reduce to pay for the additional expense ?
    Thanks for asking.

    I wouldn't reduce the expenditure, I'd increase the income.

    If we all value our environment we could, perhaps should pay more tax - no more cashies and we pay our fair share of tax.

    Also increased charges on concessionaires who are making money from access to the DOC estate.

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    Doc pays trappers regularly, often there own staff[/QUOTE]
    Ok Doc workers. Some good! Some.........
    That's why imo you introduced a bounty that increased as the rate of possums reduced you would get better results.
    A trapper working for him/her selve is going to work harder than a doc trapper as its your living.
    Not saying that doc staff do not work hard!
    But if your out there putting food on the table you make dame sure you get the results rain hail or shine plus you don't need a risk asement every time you cross a bridge, creek, river, log fall.
    Not every thing is perfect.
    Some places you just can't trap. If you put in a bounty system it would sure clean up all the easy stuff.
    Plus all the street pizza
    You could then get on with doing the 1080 on the stuff that you can't trap.
    Every hunter that was going for a week would run a few bate lines. Might even pay for your trip.
    Steward island might even become cat and rodent free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    The video is garbage. There has never been complete eradication of possums rats and stoats using 1080 poison and furthermore within 18 months the rat population will irrupt to up to 3 times the pre drop levels. The presenter cannot validate the costs because the proposed 1080 operation will not succeed.

    And NO, EBF, I am not about to further waste my time arguing with Morgan's minions.
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    I think you have a slightly skewed interpretation of what was presented in the video Woody.

    Nobody said anything about any of the 3 costed solutions being permanent. All 3 would have to be repeated. Even fenced sanctuaries have ongoing bait and trapping operations...

    My understanding is that it is a cost comparison of three methods that would be done to the same measurable level of reduction.
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    The video "presenter" was talking eradication; not reduction. it is a garbage piece of misleading rubbish EBF.

 

 

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