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Thread: This article seems wrong to me

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    This article seems wrong to me

    I was reading the Yahoo web sight and came across this article there are a few farmers on here!!.
    This case seems totally outrageous what happened to innocent until proven guilty I think the cops need a kick up the Ass for pursuing it further.

    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-storie...arm-bid-scary/

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    The police have been known to plant evidence, so what's changed? You would hope they are coming from a solid position on this it's a lot of money to have in cash these days and nobody likes cash anymore. The banks etc are bound to report deposits of over 10 k ( I think ) in cash to the police, nothing is secret anymore, unless your school age daughter needs an abortion! But that's not important, I can go on for ever but have given up caring anymore, just got enough energy to fight my own battles
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    I read that in the Star Times today. I was thinking that if they sold some farming equipment and the money is from drugs, surely the drug growers / sellers were the ones who purchased the gear.....That would seem logical to me.

    It would seem an abuse of power by the police if and I mean "IF" what the paper wrote is correct. I mean since when has the media let the truth get in the way of a good story.....They cant do that, readers might start to trust them.
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    I remember an article on where the police searched for a drug lab at a rural property(the residents weren't in), didn't find one, so a policeman chucked some sand or something into the oil of a 4wd they had parked up. Residents then had a massive whinge to the local paper, outrage ensued blah blah

    Oh and heaps of stolen gear and cars were discovered during the raid, but the article made light of that...

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    You willl find that there is a hell of a lot more to this that the paper isn't bothering to publish. Maybe they are well known growers/dealers but there isn't enough evidence to prosecute them this time but this cash could be from previous convictions etc?

    For criminal proceedings you only need to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt', but in the Proceeds of Crime Recovery you only need to prove on the 'balance of probabilities'.

    Who the hell has that kind of cash in twenties anyway? How would you accumulate it farming? Why wouldn't you bank it?

    Police don't get any of the money so why would they pursue this case if there was any doubt over the money being legitimate? If they were well known crims with no reasonable explanation then I'd expect them to have a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    You willl find that there is a hell of a lot more to this that the paper isn't bothering to publish. Maybe they are well known growers/dealers but there isn't enough evidence to prosecute them this time but this cash could be from previous convictions etc?

    For criminal proceedings you only need to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt', but in the Proceeds of Crime Recovery you only need to prove on the 'balance of probabilities'.

    Who the hell has that kind of cash in twenties anyway? How would you accumulate it farming? Why wouldn't you bank it?

    Police don't get any of the money so why would they pursue this case if there was any doubt over the money being legitimate? If they were well known crims with no reasonable explanation then I'd expect them to have a go.
    Im in no doubt there more to the story than we being told . I agree who has cash these days , Farmers especially , every one I know are asset rich but poor as church mice when it comes to cash .
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    I don't really by it either. If its tru that the cash came from farm sales then they should have proof of owning equipment ( photos, invoices, receipts, depression etc ) and now not owning it then it would add up.
    $320,000 is eather a shit load of old machinery or a couple of new bits.

    Its very hard not to have a paper trail these days, The other explanation i can think off is them selling beef cattle for cash and avoiding tax.

    The media hardly ever gets a story right but this one doesn't add up at all

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    To be honest there are a lot of people who dont trust banks and with interest rates this low some do keep significant sums elsewhere. (Think along the lines of : If a burglar steals your money the cops will try catch them, but if a bank goes broke your money is just as gone and the no one can really do anything to get it back. This is where the lack of trust / risk is considered.)

    Yes there may well be something more to the story that the media has not added. That happens a lot in the industry I work in. However the Industry I work in also involves large sums of cash moving around that does not necessarily go to the banks. And in a number of cases I know about, these sums the cops are looking at would be the change left in the pocket for some of the customers. Some people DO have (and legally so) sums of cash that "normal" people will struggle to understand or comprehend.

    I will admit it would be unusual for a farmer not to use the cash. But unfortunately I have seen instances where cops have been involved and a innocent victim has been on the receiving end. We are very fortunate that this is rare in NZ and not the norm, but like all large groups of people, there are a small percentage that are more dishonest than others.

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    I will add that the industry I work in is very tightly regulated and monitored by the government / law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    I will add that the industry I work in is very tightly regulated and monitored by the government / law.
    Whats the industry man? Everyone will be intrested now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    Police don't get any of the money so why would they pursue this case if there was any doubt over the money being legitimate?
    Because they already gave their own premature guilty verdict and were too stubborn to re-think it despite the evidence, or there are cops involved who have a personal issue with the accused, or they just don't want to look like they've wasted resources on a wild goose chase so they try to get at least some result... there are some options for you.

    I agree about the standard of reporting and that there is bound to be more to the story, but there are enough previous cases of corrupt or incompetent police work that I wouldn't automatically assume the people are guilty just because a cop thinks so. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, maybe they're guilty of something else entirely...

    Obviously the judge didn't think they were guilty in this case, though it would be more interesting/enlightening to read the judges comments than the defense lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    Because they already gave their own premature guilty verdict and were too stubborn to re-think it despite the evidence, or there are cops involved who have a personal issue with the accused, or they just don't want to look like they've wasted resources on a wild goose chase so they try to get at least some result... there are some options for you.

    I agree about the standard of reporting and that there is bound to be more to the story, but there are enough previous cases of corrupt or incompetent police work that I wouldn't automatically assume the people are guilty just because a cop thinks so. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, maybe they're guilty of something else entirely...

    Obviously the judge didn't think they were guilty in this case, though it would be more interesting/enlightening to read the judges comments than the defense lawyers.
    Or its well known what they are up to just not enough evidence to convect,
    There is quite a well known dealer in Levin who sells a lot of P and Cannabis,
    he has been arrested many times but it never sticks as he doesn't do the dirty work himself so the cops are left to charge all his minions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 199p View Post
    Whats the industry man? Everyone will be intrested now
    Probably just self employed1 from my experience? I cant believe you guys dont have a stash of cash under your bed? I thought that was normal bet ya DDs got shitloads
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    Iv worked in the sheds for years and for a long time there were a few cockys that would do cash deals with there wool so its certainly possible it was mostly lagit...paying the tax mite not have been
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