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Thread: Cahill? and media up to shenannigans again- God forbid they actually try the truth.

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    Cahill? and media up to shenannigans again- God forbid they actually try the truth.

    Cahill? and media up to shenannigans again- God forbid they actually try the truth.

    I got sent this article form stuff.

    Pretty dramatic stuff with the headline "Cops seizing two guns a day in Christchurch"

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...n-christchurch

    However reading the details, of the 557 gun that went into police custody (I wont say seized as that is clearly and patently UNTRUE!)

    Quote "138 were destructions, some of which were handed in voluntarily"

    Quote "Sixty-three involved family harm incidents where police decided to take guns from the property" (ie they were in LEGAL possession of the firearms but the police removed them as a preventative measure)

    Quote "Safekeeping – 82"

    Quote "Firearm licence suitabilities – 55" (Not entirely sure what this refers to but I can promise that if it was criminal it would not be a small not at the end of the article....)

    Meaning that potentially 338 were from LEGAL ownership and that " 219 were due to criminal offences" This is less than half of what the headline suggests.

    More proof that Stuff reporting is mostly BOLLOCKS!!!!! (Definition of mostly = MORE THAN HALF!)
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    the other bullshit part is it gives the impression that each gun is from one individual.
    bullshit it more likely multiple guns per perspon taken/handed in.
    a lie is the truth if told often enough and believed look at the election.

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    I used to subscribe to Stuff and the Southland Times but became so dispondent at the woeful reporting and blatant untruths for the sake of a headline that I quit both - two years ago. I can't imagine it would have gotten better and by all accounts it's only gotten worse.

    They've taken the old adage... "Never let truth get in the way of a good story..." way too far.

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    ive never had a read of Stuff so I cant comment. I assume its lie the British tabloids, a load of lies
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    I would suspect that in the instance of a poacher being caught, or someone getting DIC, the cops would potentially take ALL the guys firearms? If there were a few seizures that were 20 here and 30 there, that's a only a dozen or two people out of 100,000 license holders. So, roughly the same rate as the police themselves, probably less
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    the article in question starts as a typical MSM opener -sensationalism ++.it then degenerates into a list of data before god forbid a syncophantic publication of yet another fucking cahill whine-this guy si just so fucking perserverative its not funny.it needs some primrose oil to relieve its PMTafter the wee rotund lassie our paula -told em to go get fucked after their strident demands to make the select committee recommendations into law.cahill-a career shiny arsed biro pusher constantly tuggingforelock to those above to advance himself.
    christopher -your members want more access to firearms????well the average joe on the street doesnt forget where these same firearms inthe hands of policeman have rsulted in major embarrasment.
    furthermore christopher -dont bother picking on legit firearms owner -go talk to the legal gougers and the crew on the bench-theyve been vested with powers to put a stop to this shit.
    in old deer hunters parlance -to hunt deer you gotta act like one.to deal with crims -dont restrain yourself -go in hard and fast,not only the career crim but the enablers as well -put all on notice -the average kiwi has had a gutsful of your behaviour and this is our answer !should you wanna escalate it wiseguy then penalties will escalate .
    the only problem is the ingaratiating obsequious fatarsed seat warming lawmakers and the socialist enablers who licck their arses.
    oisid -if this offends you its meant to -ciao baby..after all you mob the socalled most erudite of specimens to graduate from tertiary education proclaim to understand and enact these laws,most vociferously in defence of those lowlifes whose pubicly proclaimed attitude is "the law ygo fuck yasel;f dont apply to me and my buddies"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kotuku View Post
    the article in question starts as a typical MSM opener -sensationalism ++.it then degenerates into a list of data before god forbid a syncophantic publication of yet another fucking cahill whine-this guy si just so fucking perserverative its not funny.it needs some primrose oil to relieve its PMTafter the wee rotund lassie our paula -told em to go get fucked after their strident demands to make the select committee recommendations into law.cahill-a career shiny arsed biro pusher constantly tuggingforelock to those above to advance himself.
    christopher -your members want more access to firearms????well the average joe on the street doesnt forget where these same firearms inthe hands of policeman have rsulted in major embarrasment.
    furthermore christopher -dont bother picking on legit firearms owner -go talk to the legal gougers and the crew on the bench-theyve been vested with powers to put a stop to this shit.
    in old deer hunters parlance -to hunt deer you gotta act like one.to deal with crims -dont restrain yourself -go in hard and fast,not only the career crim but the enablers as well -put all on notice -the average kiwi has had a gutsful of your behaviour and this is our answer !should you wanna escalate it wiseguy then penalties will escalate .
    the only problem is the ingaratiating obsequious fatarsed seat warming lawmakers and the socialist enablers who licck their arses.
    oisid -if this offends you its meant to -ciao baby..after all you mob the socalled most erudite of specimens to graduate from tertiary education proclaim to understand and enact these laws,most vociferously in defence of those lowlifes whose pubicly proclaimed attitude is "the law ygo fuck yasel;f dont apply to me and my buddies"
    i thought o,cconor was a cock smoker when it came to firearms and thier law but this cahill clowns a two hander.??
    i heard him tonight say that crims steal thier guns from lawful owners so if they had less guns there,d be less to steal.
    are you fuckin serious or even on this planet cahill????

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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    Cahill? and media up to shenannigans again- God forbid they actually try the truth.

    I got sent this article form stuff.

    Pretty dramatic stuff with the headline "Cops seizing two guns a day in Christchurch"

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...n-christchurch

    However reading the details, of the 557 gun that went into police custody (I wont say seized as that is clearly and patently UNTRUE!)

    Quote "138 were destructions, some of which were handed in voluntarily"

    Quote "Sixty-three involved family harm incidents where police decided to take guns from the property" (ie they were in LEGAL possession of the firearms but the police removed them as a preventative measure)

    Quote "Safekeeping – 82"

    Quote "Firearm licence suitabilities – 55" (Not entirely sure what this refers to but I can promise that if it was criminal it would not be a small not at the end of the article....)

    Meaning that potentially 338 were from LEGAL ownership and that " 219 were due to criminal offences" This is less than half of what the headline suggests.

    More proof that Stuff reporting is mostly BOLLOCKS!!!!! (Definition of mostly = MORE THAN HALF!)
    My link doesnt work and I dont know why so here is it again...

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...n-christchurch

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    Thought I would send this to the Press. I doubt they will reply as they dont seem to like it when someone corrects them but we will see...

    Hello

    I would like to know who to formally complain to regarding a misleading (or potentially deliberately deceptive) headline in todays paper. The article in question was published on page 3 of the press and on Stuff. The link to the Stuff article is https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...n-christchurch

    It states clearly that Police SEIZED 2 guns per day in Christchurch, which sounds horrendous. On further reading of the article ONLY 219 were due to criminal activities. The rest were handed in, or surrendered which by definition is not seized. I will very gladly concede 219 is too many for criminals to posses and am grateful the police have removed these from circulation. I am also happy that where there is potential for self harm the Police can remove firearms from the situation. But this is also not really covered by the term "Seized" in the headline.

    To quote your own information:

    "219 were due to criminal offences "
    "138 were destructions, some of which were handed in voluntarily" (Voluntarily is NOT seized- it is surrendered)
    " Sixty-three involved family harm incidents where police decided to take guns from the property." Implying that these are seized is certainly NOT related to criminal activity and is definitely a misleading use of the term.

    In fact the effectiveness of the situations where police took possession of the firearms from situations where criminal activity was NOT involved is proof that our processes work.

    It also appears the information in the article has been intentionally distorted to make the situation so much worse than it is in truth. Perhaps this is at the request of Chris Cahill again. His "facts" have been proven wrong so many times now that either he is almost always being misquoted or he is supplying false information and your staff are not checking the accuracy of it. It happens enough that it has to be intentional on his part as no one could make that many mistakes and not get fired. As for his quote "Until we have a clear registration system and the clear ability to track changes in the ownership then we're not going to have a starting point for that." He needs to understand Canada tried that. It spent over $2billion to do that and found that even after that it was unworkable and ineffective as the criminals do not register their guns. To word it correctly would be to say that Cahill wants to spend $258million of taxpayer money to do the same. (same amount per capita and that is assuming we get the same value from scale which is unlikely) This is why the Government said "NO". That money is better spent elsewhere to accomplish much more. (Half that would give us another 1700 police officers to actually turn up to crime and investigate the actual criminals. )

    My understanding is that the Editors role in a media situation is to ensure articles alleging to be truth actually carry factual an legitimate information. So does this deception fall at the feet of the reporter? Or the editor who let it through? Considering the headline is contradicted, not by another source, but by the information in the very article itself shows an intention to mislead. If you wish to quantify this, the 219 firearms ACTUALLY seized by police is less than half of the total they took possession of. Does this mean your headline is less than half true? Last time I checked, less than half true is actually closer to false which would make it a lie or at the very least intentionally misleading. This seems to be the direction that Stuff and the Press is heading. There seems to be a couple of quotes that is more and more frequently being used when referring to Stuff nowadays 1) that you never let the truth get in the way of a good headline, and 2) it should be called Stuff'd as if someone tells the truth they are immediately told to "go get Stuff'd"

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    well put Tim,but as you say the Ms Norris&her wee socialist minions at the CHCH Press will probably ignore your complaint.

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    i just cant understand cahill, is he a green party member or worse a u.n puppet?
    he should be petitioning for harsher sentences for illegal use instead of the current wet bus ticket approach. also its time he admitted to the media the extent of the drug problem in nz and how it increases crime. one shipment of meth last week was a hundred million dollars worth and thats for a country of 4 million people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonetropo View Post
    i just cant understand cahill, is he a green party member or worse a u.n puppet?
    he should be petitioning for harsher sentences for illegal use instead of the current wet bus ticket approach. also its time he admitted to the media the extent of the drug problem in nz and how it increases crime. one shipment of meth last week was a hundred million dollars worth and thats for a country of 4 million people!
    Isn't he an English import?
    I'd back the U.N. puppet.
    If Police solved crime rather than hide with speed camera's maybe crime would not be seen as an easy option.
    Perhaps he should be lobbying for realistic sentences for crimes involving fire arms.

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    I will be honest and say that registration is a potential solution, but before you burn me at the stake for heresy, I wont support it being used. The main reason is it is like being a beneficiary and wanting a new Mercedes. It would be fantastic, but the limited amount of funds you have need to be spent elsewhere.

    Say for example it was to cost us the same amount per person as Canada. ($55 per person in the population ) That is where I got the $258 million. With that we could get 1000 new police, ($60m), training and upskilling ($10m), Resources for them to do the job better ($30m) $100m towards the health system to assist with the fallout from the drugs and reduce waiting lists and as a preventative measure to keep all of us in better health, and on top of this the Government still has $58m to spend on other things and does not have a millstone asking for more money (registration) because it still is not working.

    Registration is going to be like predator free NZ for $26m. (If we could do it for $26m I can absolutely promise that any farmer in the Mackenzie basin would have spent that in a flash to get rid of the rabbits.) It is a case of diminishing returns the first impact will be value for money as all the easy targets are hit, but as they get harder to find it gets dearer and the last ones will cost so so much more.....

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    has registering cars stopped stupidity in them ????
    has cahill ever said we should make cars harder to get ??
    no cos any dumb fuck can get one if he,s got the money and thats why making a firearms licence a priveledge is so abhorent to the yanks.
    cos then only the priveledged can afford to or will get one.
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    you say WHAT????
    Its not a right but a priveledge to own firearms here
    that has absolutely NOTHING to do with your bank balance eg how priveledged you are.....

    if you are a numbnuts and fall fowl of the law...or drink drive or beat up your Mrs or go walkines where you shouldnt be on regular basis or love to write threatening letters to the editor well really are you the type of person who SHOULD be incharge of firearms???? or vechiles for that matter....... had member of nzta mention that holding a class 5 drivers licence (thats HT to us old folk) is also a priveledge and can be revoked too.......

 

 

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