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Thread: Deer-farmers take action against poachers - what would you do in these circumstances?

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    Deer-farmers take action against poachers - what would you do in these circumstances?

    An article with this head line has been posted on the NZ Herald website this afternoon. The article describes how the farmers (husband and wife) from Katikati have lost seven deer to poachers in the last five months and they are now at the point of being proactive which has resulted in a couple of poachers being nabbed by the police. Don't these idiot poachers realise there are plenty of deer in the bush and that farmers have firearms and some won't hesitate to use them? Recall the farmer armed with a pump-action shotgun that went outside to confront three men who had come onto his isolated Northland beef farm in the dead of night. When approaching the ute they were in he realised they had his quad and he fired a shot over their head.

    Tell me what would you do in these circumstances?

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    Poaching and illegal spotlighting is a big issue down here. Where I am from, due to isolation, lack of cell coverage and no close neighbours, we are fairly proactive against it. Stock losses and blatent shooting of deer in our paddocks is quite common. If we see spotlighters, hear shots in the night, or see suspicious behaviour, we will follow up on it. If it means getting up in the early hours of the morning we will. We confront obvious offenders with caution, if we catch them we'll interrogate them on the spot and record the conversation. Often fake names etc are used, but you get pretty good at reading people, and if you catch them red handed they're usually quite honest with names, which is hardcase. Someone at home will call the local officer and if possible he will attend accordingly. If not we pass the details on and he follows up. We are not shy to issue trespass notices, and following up has reuslted in several people being prosecuted on firearms, vehicle, burglary and drinking driving related charges. The word soon gets around, and any local perpetrators seem to quieten down a bit, and start asking for access. We have seen a decline in this illegal type of behaviour. It is still happening but not at the same levels as say 10 years ago, however we think fuel prices might be a significant factor in this as well. It surprising how far some of the culprits are travelling, some from two plus hours away. We would never resort to violence or use a weapon but have had Police say we are approaching the problem the correct way and if we had to defend ourselves our situation and location would be taken into account. Dad has had a rifle pointed at him in a stand off and was told to back off, so he did, the Police arrived, AOS caught the person and they were prosecuted.
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    The local land corp block my dad worked on loses tens of thousands of dollars worth of sheep every year to poachers and thieves. This isn't your odd dead beat shooting a deer or two for kicks, some guys have used trucks and horse floats and herded mobs of sheep on at a time. We did have issues with spotlighters and the like though. Every now and then my dad would go to move some sheep and find a bunch of heads and gut bags in the paddock. Somebody was also poaching off a public walking track, neck shooting sheep and leaving the whole carcass behind. Obviously just doing it for kicks. The frustrating thing is the local cops didn't care. One time my dad and a work colleague found a ute the was stuck in a paddock, with a wallet and some rugby boots with out laces inside. The laces were tied around the legs of a sheep. The responding officer was of no help whatsoever, wasn't interested in following it up. We always thought it would be hard case to drench some lambs with some really nasty shit and leave them in an easy spot so the cunts that stole them would get poisoned.
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    bloody hell josh, that is full on!
    i didnt realise that there was such a problem over here, what with all the easy access to hunting areas for anyone.
    its a bit sad realy, when you considder it is so easy to do the RITE thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshC View Post
    Poaching and illegal spotlighting is a big issue down here. Where I am from, due to isolation, lack of cell coverage and no close neighbours, we are fairly proactive against it. Stock losses and blatent shooting of deer in our paddocks is quite common. If we see spotlighters, hear shots in the night, or see suspicious behaviour, we will follow up on it. If it means getting up in the early hours of the morning we will. We confront obvious offenders with caution, if we catch them we'll interrogate them on the spot and record the conversation. Often fake names etc are used, but you get pretty good at reading people, and if you catch them red handed they're usually quite honest with names, which is hardcase. Someone at home will call the local officer and if possible he will attend accordingly. If not we pass the details on and he follows up. We are not shy to issue trespass notices, and following up has reuslted in several people being prosecuted on firearms, vehicle, burglary and drinking driving related charges. The word soon gets around, and any local perpetrators seem to quieten down a bit, and start asking for access. We have seen a decline in this illegal type of behaviour. It is still happening but not at the same levels as say 10 years ago, however we think fuel prices might be a significant factor in this as well. It surprising how far some of the culprits are travelling, some from two plus hours away. We would never resort to violence or use a weapon but have had Police say we are approaching the problem the correct way and if we had to defend ourselves our situation and location would be taken into account. Dad has had a rifle pointed at him in a stand off and was told to back off, so he did, the Police arrived, AOS caught the person and they were prosecuted.
    Makes me sick to hear it Josh.
    Terrible what people will do in remote areas that they wouldn't do 'in town'. -I bet the same people probably wouldn't walk into a supermarket and steal packs of meat. But ultimately it's no different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushy View Post
    An article with this head line has been posted on the NZ Herald website this afternoon. The article describes how the farmers (husband and wife) from Katikati have lost seven deer to poachers in the last five months and they are now at the point of being proactive which has resulted in a couple of poachers being nabbed by the police. Don't these idiot poachers realise there are plenty of deer in the bush and that farmers have firearms and some won't hesitate to use them? Recall the farmer armed with a pump-action shotgun that went outside to confront three men who had come onto his isolated Northland beef farm in the dead of night. When approaching the ute they were in he realised they had his quad and he fired a shot over their head.

    Tell me what would you do in these circumstances?
    Probably exactly the same thing. Although I don't think I could ever actually point a firearm at a person. A human life is too serious for just a matter of money. (even if the life in question is a worthless thieving shit).

    -Interestingly, when the arms officer was interviewing me for my licence he asked"
    "Would you ever use a firearm in defence of yourself or your family in a life and death situation."
    I replied: "No, because I know that's the correct answer". Then I smiled and said "But if it really came down to it, and it was my family or some bad bugger trying to harm them, I would really have to consult my arms code pretty hard".
    -He just smiled, said "I know what you mean" and passed me.

    ...that was over a decade ago, I don't think I'd even make that joke in the same situation now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tussock View Post
    Sign shooters. Nothing worse.
    Yeh I agree. What's that about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tussock View Post
    Sign shooters. Nothing worse.
    Lake lyndon road... DISGUSTING!!!

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    Some farmers do not bother to ring the cops because results from the Courts have left them frustrated.A funny flip side is the book Spotlighting written by a dude[Neville Toothill] from Gisborne with travails of the meat hunters against cockies. But it is set in a different era i.e. 60s and early 70s.

 

 

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