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    Doing what you love?

    What are your opinions on these "Following your dreams" or "Do what you love and you'll never work another day in your life" kind of things? I have been feeling lately that I have been chasing something thats not entirely what I want and fell like im never gonna be happy running round in circles like this. Its a hard thing for me to admit to myself because it kind of feels like "admitting defeat" although im not entirely sure why. I love farming, dairy farming in particular and I love the big dumb black and white buggers we work with, I couldnt see myself walking away from that entirely but I feel like I have followed this pre defined career path "because thats what people in this industry do" without actually stopping to think to myself "is this the only way to achieve what we want?"
    I feel like I thrash the shit out of my body and my mind for bugger all return, neglect personal relationships with friends, family, my Fiance etc and to top it all off we have a shit tonne of the urban population in NZ kicking us while we're down as an industry despite being one of the biggest tax payers in the country, basically affording them the quality of life they have whilst they sit in their crystal towers.
    Its all been getting a bit much and I reckon I need to start to plan an exit strategy, which is hard, if it wasnt for the bills needing to be paid I swear I would have packed up my dog and my rifle and dissapeared for a few months by now.
    I had been thinking the other day about what would be an "ideal life" for us right now and Ideally we would spend half the year here and half in Uruguay, maybe 3 months at a time sort of thing. We would love to have a child but I know in myself that my partner really needs the support of her family for this to be a reality, she comes from a large family, 4 sisters, a brother and all her sisters still live within walking distance of their parents place, they are literally together everyday so I know that this life can be lonely enough here in NZ without throwing a child into the mix.
    The thing is, for the forseeable future we will have around $2000/month of costs if we walk away, these bills still need to be paid and it makes it a daunting prospect to walk away from a semi stable income, I know I can secure a well paying job for three months each year running a nightshift calving team for one of our old employers, I would have minimal costs of living during this three months so could save a bit of cash, but bear in mind that any time spent overseas I would not be working, so need to factor in the cost of saving money for that time, airfares, and continuing to pay our monthly expenses here of around $2000. I think this would necesitate the need to return to NZ for another 3 month block and secure employment to make some more money, but doing what? if I was really being a dreamer, and thinking about "doing what you love" I would actually like to do some guiding for chamois, I think I have the skills and experience on them to make it viable, if I could find people willing to do some proper NZ style backpack hunting (I wouldnt rule out helicopter drop-off/pickups as long as the cost was covered by client) is this sort of thing really just some kind of pipe dream? again, I would need to be making enough money to cover my costs while in NZ, pay the bills, and put some away again for airfares and living costs overseas. I have no plans to invest long-term in NZ, Ill be buggered if im gonna pay the extortionist cost of purchasing property here when I could purchase our own income-earning farm in Uruguay for the cost of a 3 bedroom house in NZ. I guess im just a bit tired of being literally chained to a lifestyle that is not neccesarily making me happy, I have literally not had a day, or even half a day off for longer than I can remember. Am I being a dreamer? Do i really have to accept a lifetime of being a "kiwi battler" ?? when I think about it, I dont really actually have any desire to have my own dairy farm and all the jazz that so many in our industry seem to be chasing, I want a place to raise our kids, I want a work/life balance, I want to feel happy again!
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    Just read the first bit reality is you do a job to live the life or as close as you can get to it if you do something you love it will just become a job except in rare cases and its a cycle you go through from liking what tou do to wanting to so something different when i was ready for work and that was a long time ago i thought fixing cars and building hot rods and custom stuf would be cool and it was for a while now days i dont want to know about cars etc after 5 o clock after a while reading peoples posts you kind of get a feel for some of the people and what they are about and i see these cycles happening with you you would ve a lot younger than me so you have time on your side for making,changes if thats what you feel is right

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    For myself Iíll most probably stay on wages/salary as thatís where Iím comfortable. Iíve being in the agriculture all my life and I donít know any different. The lifestyle (for me) still has more positives than negatives. My only variations are that I like the look of a fresh bit of country to explore but with kids attending/nearly ready to go to college I realise itís not about me at the moment itís about them. No help to you I know but youíre best to do any change before you start a family. Good luck.


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    Are you able to work in Uruguay ?
    Are you able to purchase land there ?
    The $2000 a month expenses , is that a property mortgage , or other type loans ?
    In 2004 my wife and our two children aged 3 and 5 got on a plane to Australia with bugger all money and no idea what we were going to do .
    Fuck me it was scary .
    Fuck me it was the best thing we ever did .
    Life is for living , because you only die once .
    FALL IN LOVE WITH THE NUMBERS , NOT THE IDEA

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    If you look for clear direction or attempt to plan your career through here your circles will only get bigger and more confusing. I recommend that you actually sit down and talk to someone who is experienced in strategy and career planning/counselling. Even the wisest and most sensible people on here shouldn't be able to advise you without asking you many (and the right) questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground Control View Post
    Are you able to work in Uruguay ?
    Are you able to purchase land there ?
    The $2000 a month expenses , is that a property mortgage , or other type loans ?
    In 2004 my wife and our two children aged 3 and 5 got on a plane to Australia with bugger all money and no idea what we were going to do .
    Fuck me it was scary .
    Fuck me it was the best thing we ever did .
    Life is for living , because you only die once .
    I can work and buy land in Uruguay as I have a Uruguayan Cedula (national ID) which is kind of like a NZ Resident class Visa. The costs we would have here would stem from winding up our business here plus a small amount of personal loan debt.
    It would be good to find some casual work over there , the wages are shit compared to here but it would be something to add towards the cost of living, which is cheaper than here, but expensive in comparison to the average wage.
    #30GANG....

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    You are young enough to make a change Ryan, I can't advise you what you should be doing but I can see by your post it's been nagging at you for a while. Uruguay is always going to be a prominent feature in your lives, so can you be happy raising kids over there and making a good go of it farming in that country? If the cost of living and land is so cheap, I'd suspect the earnings are relevant to that as well. A rock and a hard place.
    Living the dream is a lifestyle only a few get to enjoy, through luck or good management.
    Happiness is an above ground thing....make the most of it. Good luck.
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    Do what you love and you may soon stop loving it.
    "You'll never get rich till you make money in your sleep" -
    Regards farming you need good people under you, share milking or whatever. You need to support them and pay them well and they will actually make you money.

    As to guiding, there's hell money in it if you can pull international clients. You need to be a very people person and cater to them each individually, pick up on the little things. Full service from when they land at the airport till they go back. They may also bring an attitude that isn't yours ("I'm gonna fuck up the first dozen bulls i see then try out my new gun on mobs at 1500yards, hoo-rah") so you need a plan to handle them. Your guns? Theirs? got a range to check zero? got a supply of ammo if they don't/forget/lost/impounded? relationships with landowners, pilots, publicans etc will all come into it. Tents? huts? can your wife cook breakfast? Can you make a cappucino on your trangea?Have you got access for the obese guy who quadbikes to his treestand? Can you keep up with the 23year old Nord with a long bow?
    I'l come down and try out your guiding service and give you feedback if you want. Your cost. My consultancy fee is $2000
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    Other things like having their home country beers in the fridge, learning "hi, howsit, thanks, good shot " in their language...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    If you look for clear direction or attempt to plan your career through here your circles will only get bigger and more confusing. I recommend that you actually sit down and talk to someone who is experienced in strategy and career planning/counselling. Even the wisest and most sensible people on here shouldn't be able to advise you without asking you many (and the right) questions.
    Yea cheers Bruce, not a decision I would take lightly but I've come to the point where I've had to ask myself some pretty brutal questions and some of the answers I didnt like, but I think it's time to stop sweeping those answers under a rug and do something about it.
    I have no problem with making money doing what I'm doing but the sacrifices being made as far as physical and mental health and relationships outweigh the benefits in the short term, sure there is probably some big end goal payoff for all that but I have become slightly disillusioned with the concept of chasing wealth as an end goal, I think back and there was a period where I had a shit tonne of disposable income, I could basically do what I want and buy what I wanted but it never made me any happier, it never gave me any more time to enjoy my friends and my family. Happiness at this stage is more important, yes I still want to pay the bills and I dont want to end up living under a bridge but I feel I need to break up the monotony of life how it is right now, slide some work/life balance in there and hopefully be able to keep my partner happy at the same time.
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    #30GANG....

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    I suspect your comments are what a fair portion of the New Zealand farming sector are thinking right now.
    I am quite envious that you are in a position that you actually have a choice to make these decisions with out it having a huge impact on dependents and finances. Some of us are fairly well anchored down.
    If Jacky Jaws gets back in next round there might be an opening for you to start a consultancy business for NZ farmers wanting to buy in Uraguay. We looked at buying there back in the nineties. The way things have gone here makes me wish we did.
    Overkill is still dead.

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    Better to have a life of "Oh wells", than a life of "What ifs"

    Its up to you and family to decide of course, not doing that the internet tells you however my experience is the older I get the the more regret I have by not taking risks. So many chances gone by, so many lost. So many others have done what I didn't and they have prospered or enjoyed what they did, or failed and hated it but at least they tried.
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    Not hard to get down about the farming life when around every corner someone is kicking you in the guts, which is what's happening at the moment. I've spoken with several of my mates (most of my friends farm) and several clients over the last few weeks and many of them are feeling a bit down in the dumps, winter has dragged on, spring's been a bit rough, banks tightening up on farm related lending, the new water plans, urban/rural divide etc etc. Sometimes just having a few days off can help, trouble is getting you fellas off the farm is pretty hard. I've helped organise a Stewart Island trip for a heap of our mates and told them it's an important occasion so they can't pull out...Maybe you need to think about just having a break away for a year and then come back to it? Sounds hard but where there's a will there's a way?

    I think I know how you're feeling, this year has been very challenging for me, massive amount of work pressure, dealing with sh*t people and various other pressures ultimately lead me to burning myself out mentally and physically. I got pretty crook, and for a time hated what I was doing. I've only hunted a couple of weeks this whole year and haven't even shot an animal, had no desire to get out there and do it. I'd get home from work rooted, lie on the couch and sleep or watch youtube videos. I had a bit of a break down in July, and my wife and I decided that it was time to make a change in our lives. So we have made the call to pack the family up and move back home to her family farm to raise our boys how we were, and I can hopefully get some of my work life balance back by setting up a home office and helping her Dad on the farm a couple days a week. Initially it was a hard call to make a big soft and change what we've been doing for the last 10-12 years but man I feel a lot better and excited about the next adventure.

    I suppose all I'm trying to put down is, as daunting as it may feel, change is good.

    PS, Pm'd you my phone number, when you're in Gore and have a spare half hour let me know and we'll have a coffee/beer if you want.
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    I have messaged you on another platform mate, we can chat soon. Keep ya head up

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    @Ryan_Songhurst This may sound a little out left field, but while I do not know how to get out of what you are in I can see between the lines. It is almost as if you want to flip the whole thing on its head......Move to Uruguay with your fiancťe, start a family and come to NZ a few months at a time for your visits. If you start a family you have the proximity to her family support system, and later when the child is old enough, you can then decide if you would rather return to NZ or stay. And trust me, the 10 to 15 years will disappear in front of your eyes....

    And you are quite correct that first and foremost, your state of mind and your choice of lifestyle needs to be your focus. We get to live this life only once, and we have to make the most of this precious time we get to spend here.
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