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View Poll Results: Do you want to see the politics and anger continue?

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  • I want the forum to cut out the politics / anti gov / anti police / angry rants

    61 49.59%
  • I want the forum to carry on as we are, its important we can say what we like

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Thread: Politics - do you want it, or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    Ken, welcome back I'm glad you have calmed down a bit.

    No apology needed mate. I don't/didn't feel hurt because of your words. I just found it un-civil to paraphrase Cordite.

    People on here are going to continue to disagree, and I suspect more so if we continue to allow general political discussions.

    The reality is that some in the firearms community will disagree with your particular view. Some will agree, and other may not agree to the extent that you want them to. Hopefully you can find a way of coming to grips with that, because the next few months/years are going to be a trying time for us all...
    Hi @ebf. Here's the thing- Civility is relative. I feel no great need to be civil to those stealing our lives. I am articulate enough to speak without bad language, but sometimes bad language is needed to express bad feelings. I don't recall where I read it but here's a paraphrase, if not an exact quote, "Sincerity is everything - if you can fake that, anything is possible." That's where I think the beloved leader is coming from. Probably somwhere in PR 101. Whether people agree with some of my stated opinions, or not, is entirely up to them. They will have their own. The most important thing is that they can have them AND state them. Freedom of expression (free speech) is going down the drain in this country. Police are not protecting the people who pay them. As that twit Greg O'Connor said, "Police are the intimidation arm, the enforcement arm, of government". His exact words, though I can't recall exctly where or when he said them. So it's clear where they are coming from, to the point where they feel it's okay to point an AR at a very young girl. Do they feel THAT empowered already? Jesus, the mess is only a couple of months old and this shit is happening now. Someone said "Vote ACT". Maybe, but I don't know that will change anything. David Seymour's little whimper was about the abuse of process, not the principles of what was happening. He just felt excluded because he wasn't consulted. I feel the same. Nobody was consulted except a couple of Aussie cops, and Cahill. Our country and our freedoms are in peril. You can say I'm dramatising if you want - maybe I am_ but that does not make it less true. We are in deep shit here. NZ has sent heroes to fight for Queen and Country - to fight for "freedom". This was a tiny country full of heroes, men AND women. Now it's a tiny country full of dross, not even sure of their real gender any more. My own little sister thinks nobody should own firearms except our socialist (Yep, I said it again) government, and she knows damned well that I will never shoot a human, that I have been deemed fit and proper to hold my FAL. And this from a woman, part of my family, who was brought up to believe in Human Rights. Mind you she has been working as a teacher for years, so I imagine the cancer of socialism has rubbed off on her. Enough. I'm gonna go have a beer and wash my mouth out. It has a sour taste in it. My best wishes to you all.

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    Blah blah TLDR

    See post 77
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    Initially, I felt it would be a good idea to cease all political discussions on this forum (and that's where I cast my vote). I think most of us would agree that some of these threads can be disconcerting. Especially while our emotions are raw.

    But upon further thought - freedom isn't all about self gratification, is it. It's also about learning self control. We shouldn't seek to 'ban' every situation or potential trigger which may offer us some degree of discomfort. Because without discomfort, we are eliminating an incentive to monitor ourselves and exercise greater self discipline. And this is exactly what I think it causing our society such harm at the moment.

    If you've had a sh*t day, the onus is on you to avoid conflict. Joining an online political discussion and turning it pear shaped - that's more a reflection of an individual's poor decision making, than politics as a subject matter.

    If this forum is to stand for anything, shouldn't it be about preserving those old fashioned values which have accompanied the hunting/shooting sports throughout the ages? Rather than abolishing anything which may cause a grievance. If we did that, we'd effectively be sympathizing with the very ideology we've been locking horns with.

    So I take my vote back.
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    Interesting change of view point Frodo and even more interesting the result.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    Initially, I felt it would be a good idea to cease all political discussions on this forum (and that's where I cast my vote). I think most of us would agree that some of these threads can be disconcerting. Especially while our emotions are raw.

    But upon further thought - freedom isn't all about self gratification, is it. It's also about learning self control. We shouldn't seek to 'ban' every situation or potential trigger which may offer us some degree of discomfort. Because without discomfort, we are eliminating an incentive to monitor ourselves and exercise greater self discipline. And this is exactly what I think it causing our society such harm at the moment.

    If you've had a sh*t day, the onus is on you to avoid conflict. Joining an online political discussion and turning it pear shaped - that's more a reflection of an individual's poor decision making, than politics as a subject matter.

    If this forum is to stand for anything, shouldn't it be about preserving those old fashioned values which have accompanied the hunting/shooting sports throughout the ages? Rather than abolishing anything which may cause a grievance. If we did that, we'd effectively be sympathizing with the very ideology we've been locking horns with.

    So I take my vote back.
    I trust that YOU will have restraint and common sense
    Unfortunately we are bound by the lowest common denominator

    I would love your sentiment to hold true for this forum but I have zero faith that it will

    Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    I trust that YOU will have restraint and common sense
    Unfortunately we are bound by the lowest common denominator

    I would love your sentiment to hold true for this forum but I have zero faith that it will

    Sorry
    Perhaps I was being too optimistic.

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    Ha the pol closes today and right now she’s a dead heat.
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Ooooooo Neck and neck.

    This sums up my concerns to a tee....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanners View Post
    Blah blah TLDR

    See post 77
    I have got to give it to you , you don not f#@k around .
    , If there was only more like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankd View Post
    I have got to give it to you , you don not f#@k around .
    , If there was only more like this
    Spades a spade.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanners View Post
    Spades a spade.




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    In your case, a spade is a shovel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahr View Post
    In your case, a spade is a shovel
    They both dig holes right? Hahah


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    Quote Originally Posted by LBD View Post
    Ooooooo Neck and neck.

    This sums up my concerns to a tee....

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    Well that's an interesting outcome. Its interesting to read the thread from start to finish, and see the relative balance in the lobbying, for want of a better word.

    I think some of you fellas might have missed the point earlier in this thread. Free speech is not the issue. Respectful, reasonable, constructive free speech in today's circumstances is a good thing. What we had going on here, mostly by just a handful of members, was the exact opposite. It got to the stage where the thoughtful commentary on why the recent law changes are so poorly handled - and they are poorly handled - was being completely drowned out by unintelligent, abusive and useless ranting that plays perfectly into the hands of those that oppose us, in government, police and other institutions. Do not think for a minute that this stuff isn't being watched.

    Septic nonsense was being posted on a daily basis, often in threads that started with a perfectly reasonable premise. Several well known, long time forum members tried to reason with guys to tone it down, and got abused. Great!

    Its always ok to disagree. But its not ok to behave like a twat and - this is the bit that was getting to me - a small minority grossly misrepresenting us as a whole in an online world where those that are against us can simply cherry pick the stuff they think will work the best in their case against us. Media, leftie greenies, petition signing metro dimwits with no life outside their Facebook screen.
    @Spanners summed it up perfectly in post #77. Them's the rules. Respect that, or go somewhere else.

    Is it just me or have things improved a lot round here in the last few days?

    I'm not looking for a discussion on this anymore. I hope you can see my point. If we have to debate something that affects us all, down the pub, say rugby club business or some district water issues we get together to discuss, how do you think it would go down if we started behaving like some do on here? It's not the way Kiwis do things.
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    it has died off a bit I guess people just needed to get it out of their system some felt they were being attacked from all angles some like me might not be able to say how they are feeling and it all comes out wrong and so on

 

 

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