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    I phased out after awhile @Cordite, surprised you got through it all... I grew tired of reading all of the arse kissing comments of our "privileges" and we don't need MSSA's blah blah.

    Some of it was truly painful to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A330driver View Post
    Quote Cahill...I've certainly learnt there's some pretty strong opinions out there in the gun community they're not interested in any sort of debate or discussing.
    This from the guy representing the guys from the crowd with their own very strong opinions that are doing their best to avoid allowing other stakeholders to voice their desires and opinions. How big a bucket of hypocrisy does he want?
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    @gadgetman @A330driver

    His idea of consultation is obviously, have a look and ignore.

    Ignore him, he is not the lawmaker, we do not need to consult with police association but with MPs.

    For a positive policy push:

    I reckon the best is to approach our elected officials and ask to scrub the legislation regarding so-called MSSAs. A-cat all semi-autos with factory handles, folding stocks (as long as folded not at or below pistol length threshold), flash hiders (idiotic given muzzle brakes, suppressors and the right powder choice has same or better effect) and bayonet lugs (who got murdered by any mounted bayonet?!?), BUT sacrifice any wishes for >7 capacity magazines (there is definitely some sound reasoning behind this!).

    Shame about the Garands though.

    And SCRAP E-cat. Just outright ban larger capacity semi-auto mags. Lots of police work and negative interaction avoided... and a whole register scrapped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    And SCRAP E-cat. Just outright ban larger capacity semi-auto mags. Lots of police work and negative interaction avoided... and a whole register scrapped.
    ...and a whole lot of shooting sports scrapped too
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    He cannot, unfortunately, be ignored. He has a loud voice that is heard by many others who also have the ability to influence MP's. The media love his unfounded sensationalist scaremongering, it is a perfect fit for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post

    For a positive policy push:

    I reckon the best is to approach our elected officials and ask to scrub the legislation regarding so-called MSSAs. A-cat all semi-autos with factory handles, folding stocks (as long as folded not at or below pistol length threshold), flash hiders (idiotic given muzzle brakes, suppressors and the right powder choice has same or better effect) and bayonet lugs (who got murdered by any mounted bayonet?!?), BUT sacrifice any wishes for >7 capacity magazines (there is definitely some sound reasoning behind this!).

    Shame about the Garands though.

    And SCRAP E-cat. Just outright ban larger capacity semi-auto mags. Lots of police work and negative interaction avoided... and a whole register scrapped.
    That just sounds like a mildly watered down version of what Cahill wants. We're better off now than in that situation. Most people go to the effort of getting their E endorsement almost solely for the ability to use >7 round mags, because their chosen sport or occupation requires it.

    Defeats the purpose if you're going to make all MSSAs A cat, but then scrap the main feature that makes them useful. Kind of like making all handguns A cat, but then banning handguns under 762mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banana View Post
    ...and a whole lot of shooting sports scrapped too
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    To be constructive, which shooting sports cannot absolutely do without larger capacity mags?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
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    To be constructive, which shooting sports cannot absolutely do without larger capacity mags?
    All of the practical shooting sports. IPSC, multi-gun, 3-gun, service rifle, and all of the sub divisions they encompass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banana View Post
    All of the practical shooting sports. IPSC, multi-gun, 3-gun, service rifle, and all of the sub divisions they encompass.
    @Banana

    You'd be at no disadvantage from a 7-rd mag if nobody else can turn up with a bigger mag. Everyone would upskill in reliable faster mag changes, but that's actually a useful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @Banana

    You'd be at no disadvantage from a 7-rd mag if nobody else can turn up with a bigger mag. Everyone would upskill in reliable faster mag changes, but that's actually a useful thing.
    You'd also be at no disadvantage shooting a 410 in trap or skeet if everyone else was limited to a 410, and no disadvantage from using a 4 MOA rifle in F class if no one else could use a sub 4 MOA rifle, but it would destroy the balance and purpose of the sports to the point of ruining them.

    The practical shooting sports are a balance of speed and accuracy. Gun handling speed and shooting skill. <7 mags would turn the sport into a mag changing competition with little emphasis on shooting skill.

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    You need at the absolute minimum, 10 shot mags to be useful at service rifle. It's a clusterfuck trying to shoot it with 7 shot mags. And nobody other than one NZ manufacturer make 7 shot mags for rifles.
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    I remember years ago when the E endorsement come in.

    I only got mine because I needed it to be able to use high capacity mags for waro.

    I was told at the time I would not likely have got it if I applied for any other reason.
    Times changed and now it is not that hard to get the endorsement.

    However removing high capacity capability would limit things like waro and organised pest control.

    So I am sure there would be an exemption for activities that demanded a high capacity magazines if they ever banned them for general use.

    So DOC and waro operators would likely get an exemption but what makes them any different from anyone else that has a genuine requirement?

    It's the old give them an inch and they will take a mile.

    I don't see how you can ban high capacity capabilities when you don't even need an endorsement to buy the mags now anyway.

    The stupid thing about about the whole issue is that they will only be hindering people that have been deemed fit and proper under their guidelines.

    They are too dumb and blind to the actual cause of gun violence, so think as long as they seem pro active by fucking with law abiding licence holders they are achieving something.

    Politicians and the wannabes are just barking seals.
    They are there justifying their existence by creating more hoops to leap thru.
    They will never change.




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    At the start of Cahill's interview, he came across as though he got it. Gangs and meth are the driving influence in cops being confronted with guns. Even says it is illegal owners that are the issue (corrects the reporter even). But then he goes way off on a tangent to point the finger at not knowing where legal guns are, not needing MSSA's... target gangs?

    We have lived for how long now with licensed gun owners representing a tiny proportion of firearm crime, what has changed in 10 years? The meth trade. Surely by addressing that issue with greater urgency, we can get back to a place where gun owners do their thing and cops get threatened with guns less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    At the start of Cahill's interview, he came across as though he got it. Gangs and meth are the driving influence in cops being confronted with guns. Even says it is illegal owners that are the issue (corrects the reporter even). But then he goes way off on a tangent to point the finger at not knowing where legal guns are, not needing MSSA's... target gangs?

    We have lived for how long now with licensed gun owners representing a tiny proportion of firearm crime, what has changed in 10 years? The meth trade. Surely by addressing that issue with greater urgency, we can get back to a place where gun owners do their thing and cops get threatened with guns less?
    having worked for a meth user i can safely say it pervades all levels of society, a truly awful drug that turns people into monsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    At the start of Cahill's interview, he came across as though he got it. Gangs and meth are the driving influence in cops being confronted with guns. Even says it is illegal owners that are the issue (corrects the reporter even). But then he goes way off on a tangent to point the finger at not knowing where legal guns are, not needing MSSA's... target gangs?

    We have lived for how long now with licensed gun owners representing a tiny proportion of firearm crime, what has changed in 10 years? The meth trade. Surely by addressing that issue with greater urgency, we can get back to a place where gun owners do their thing and cops get threatened with guns less?
    Which of course begs the question whether the reporter is misquoting Cahill's drift. I mean, can someone really be that unreasonable?
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