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    Cordite.... I respect your view,Cahill cannot be ignored,he influences many that are in control of making laws.I listened to the interview,his message appeals to the “haters” of firearms,that’s who he is appealing too.We all know that he knows he will not get a lot of support for some of his measures from law abiding firearms owners.If your going to have gun laws,have laws that target those individuals who are unwilling to comply,don’t paint us all with one brush...Cahill cannot be ignored.I have sent several emails in his direction,and have yet to recieve any reply.....one has to aleast make an effort.

    The admission that “they” have no idea how many guns are in Kiwi is of no surprise,how would you ever know.They are trying to play catch-up with a system that is completely broke...and taking drastic measures to compensate for it
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    @A330driver

    My central impression is that it is wise to hammer out a policy in positive terms to take to lawmakers.

    There are a lot of sensible things that would appeal to both sides.

    A) Doing away with ineffective restrictions (read "MSSA") and

    B) Tightening (clarifying) storage of all A-cat items...

    ...seems one way ahead with much agreement possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @A330driver

    My central impression is that it is wise to hammer out a policy in positive terms to take to lawmakers.

    There are a lot of sensible things that would appeal to both sides.

    A) Doing away with ineffective restrictions (read "MSSA") and

    B) Tightening (clarifying) storage of all A-cat items...

    ...seems one way ahead with much agreement possible.
    How do you cuddle up to a gun hater?
    This has been covered ad-nauseam in previous threads. Negotiation is an own goal. Why do you wish to agree with them? Is it genetic, in that you have been bred from servile stock, or are you of such limited intellect that you cannot recognize the enemy?
    You and the others who believe in appeasement are the real enemy here. The gun haters are what they are, but you as a firearms owner have chosen to join them. Beyond contempt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    How do you cuddle up to a gun hater?
    This has been covered ad-nauseam in previous threads. Negotiation is an own goal. Why do you wish to agree with them? Is it genetic, in that you have been bred from servile stock, or are you of such limited intellect that you cannot recognize the enemy?
    You and the others who believe in appeasement are the real enemy here. The gun haters are what they are, but you as a firearms owner have chosen to join them. Beyond contempt!
    @JWB

    I think you're perhaps over reacting here - or perhaps not really reading.

    Why would you not want to get rid of the whole ignorant concept of MSSAs? [Or did you think I said, get rid of mssa's?] Getting rid of the mssa notion will also get rid of E-cat and all the registration etc etc that goes with that.

    And it would be no real compromise to have an agreed, sensible uniform standard of gun storage appropriate for all A-cat weapons.
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    So it's both. Servile and stupid.
    The only starting point that I am interested in is the repeal of all arms legislation. Crime is dealt with under the crimes act 1961. The real genius is arguing on deckchair placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    So it's both. Servile and stupid.
    The only starting point that I am interested in is the repeal of all arms legislation. Crime is dealt with under the crimes act 1961. The real genius is arguing on deckchair placement.
    @JWB

    Is that you trolling, Chris? So you are consulting with LFOs after all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beavis View Post
    You need at the absolute minimum, 10 shot mags to be useful at service rifle. It's a clusterfuck trying to shoot it with 7 shot mags. And nobody other than one NZ manufacturer make 7 shot mags for rifles.
    Been there done that, twas very hard to be of any competition limited to 7 shot mags in service rifle. Our Army range warden insisted I get my Ecat to match the other shooters in comps - Since then, I've never looked back.

    @Cordite

    To be constructive, which shooting sports cannot absolutely do without larger capacity mags?
    Pest control is another valid reason for standard and or high capacity mags. 7 rounders, you may as well call them restricted capacity mags.

    Some people here would probably think this is make believe coming from Aussie but here are some contract shooters culling feral pigs with an AR15 filmed 3 years ago.

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    20 round and 30 round magazines are not "high capacity" mags either. They are standard mags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    20 round and 30 round magazines are not "high capacity" mags either. They are standard mags.
    @Ryan

    On one level, yes, sure 20-30round mags are "standard mags" when you look up a gun in Jane's Infantry Weapons. In regard to hunting / sporting weapons, well... that might be a bit harder to sell to lawmakers, no?

    That said, there is much wisdom in pushing the merits of the "fit and proper person" policy which has served New Zealand very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @Ryan

    On one level, yes, sure 20-30round mags are "standard mags" when you look up a gun in Jane's Infantry Weapons. In regard to hunting / sporting weapons, well... that might be a bit harder to sell to lawmakers, no?

    That said, there is much wisdom in pushing the merits of the "fit and proper person" policy which has served New Zealand very well.
    They're pretty standard for modern shooting sports. Some COF's run a very high round count so guys will run 40's to 100's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Been there done that, twas very hard to be of any competition limited to 7 shot mags in service rifle. Our Army range warden insisted I get my Ecat to match the other shooters in comps - Since then, I've never looked back.

    @Cordite



    Pest control is another valid reason for standard and or high capacity mags. 7 rounders, you may as well call them restricted capacity mags.

    Some people here would probably think this is make believe coming from Aussie but here are some contract shooters culling feral pigs with an AR15 filmed 3 years ago.

    @Sasquatch

    Your disadvantage would not really apply if the other shooters were not able to bring larger mags either.

    I was very impressed with the video. It warmed my heart how he checked his targets to see if they required finishing off rather than just leave them to potentially suffer, when he could just have kept on shooting at new ones. We would not want hunting in this country done any other way, no? Cold sarcasm aside, count the shots in his salvos: could do what he did with 7-round mags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Been there done that, twas very hard to be of any competition limited to 7 shot mags in service rifle. Our Army range warden insisted I get my Ecat to match the other shooters in comps - Since then, I've never looked back.

    @Cordite



    Pest control is another valid reason for standard and or high capacity mags. 7 rounders, you may as well call them restricted capacity mags.

    Some people here would probably think this is make believe coming from Aussie but here are some contract shooters culling feral pigs with an AR15 filmed 3 years ago.

    They've always had the capability to use semis in Aussie....just need to jump through heaps of hoops and the ability to make a living culling ferals. So yes restricted to a very small percentage of the shooting public


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=4506" target="_blank">Sasquatch</a></u>

    Your disadvantage would not really apply if the other shooters were not able to bring larger mags either.

    I was very impressed with the video. It warmed my heart how he checked his targets to see if they required finishing off rather than just leave them to potentially suffer, when he could just have kept on shooting at new ones. We would not want hunting in this country done any other way, no? Cold sarcasm aside, count the shots in his salvos: could do what he did with 7-round mags.
    You can do just as much damage with 7 round mags also. Then it will be semi autos entirely then pumps and then lever actions??


    The truth is that if you give the dog a bone he's gonna com back for the whole carcass. You are kidding yourself if you think they will stop there. I give you the example of this shit from Australiastan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ction-firearms

    WTF they use the Terminator as an example? In reality Hollywood has a lot to answer for.
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    @Cordite in regards to service rifle shooting, yes I see your point but military service rifles don't use 7 round magazines respectively.

    As what @Banana said, if we used 7 round mags it would become a mag change skill which would move away from the style of shooting it has followed traditionally.

    And yes the pig shooter could have used 7, but why make it harder for himself? Far more effective with standard mags.

 

 

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