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    US Navy's heaviest defeat of WW II

    Interesting, I didn't know about this:

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    I have been many times to Solomons (for work)including sailing across Iron Bottom Sound twice, The whole country is a really interesting place if you are interested in WW2

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    The Royal New Zealand Navy minesweeper "Moa" is still there as well. (Bombed, April 1943, five killed.)

    My grandfather was there on Guadalcanal at the time with the US 25th infantry division.
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    The Solomons campaign had numerous Japanese naval tactical 'victories', even including Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz. Better scholars than me will dissect the results and aftermath. I like watching Jonathan Parshalls lectures on the Pacific Naval War.
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    [QUOTE=Ryan;667040]Interesting, I didn't know about this:

    Hmm, so selective memory is not just the prerogative of the Japanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmatix View Post
    The Solomons campaign had numerous Japanese naval tactical 'victories', even including Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz. Better scholars than me will dissect the results and aftermath. I like watching Jonathan Parshalls lectures on the Pacific Naval War.
    Say what ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan
    Interesting, I didn't know about this:
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    Hmm, so selective memory is not just the prerogative of the Japanese.
    If one doesn't know about it, how can it be selective memory? Elucidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmatix View Post
    The Solomons campaign had numerous Japanese naval tactical 'victories', even including Eastern Solomons and Santa Cruz. Better scholars than me will dissect the results and aftermath. I like watching Jonathan Parshalls lectures on the Pacific Naval War.
    There's nothing wrong with a tactical victory. Doesn't need to be placed in quote marks to denigrate its significance. Remember that:

    * Tactics win skirmishes
    * Operational art wins battles
    * Strategy wins campaigns
    * Grand strategy wins wars
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    This is not unusual for the Americans , you only have to look at the Aleutian / Kesselring pass / Guadacanal , then the debacle of Omaha Beach . Then look at the Korean War debacle , they have never learned to respect their enemies .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tankd View Post
    This is not unusual for the Americans , you only have to look at the Aleutian / Kesselring pass / Guadacanal , then the debacle of Omaha Beach . Then look at the Korean War debacle , they have never learned to respect their enemies .
    The USA adopted an isolationist policy in both world wars. Each would have been lost if it wasn't for grudging American intervention. Same for Korea (cast an eye on to who started it). The reason we enjoy our way of life is solely due to the Pax Americana.
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    I haven't watched the video yet but reading the feed back made me think of this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawls View Post
    I haven't watched the video yet but reading the feed back made me think of this...

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    Completely irrelevant to the video. The video is about WW II, not Vietnam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway View Post
    The Royal New Zealand Navy minesweeper "Moa" is still there as well. (Bombed, April 1943, five killed.)

    My grandfather was there on Guadalcanal at the time with the US 25th infantry division.
    Interesting........so are you a (subsequent) product of a wartime liaison, or summink different?

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    Yes, he came through New Zealand with many yanks training for the Pacific war, after Guadalcanal and prior to going to Phillipines with MacArthur. (There were US army bases in Wiri, South Auckland, and also at Western Springs park.) My grandmother was from Raglan but living in Auckland. They were married in 1943. (She was only in her early twenties but had already lost her first husband on a RN cruiser earlier in the war.) I always thought there was some kind of war movie in that story.

    He was also at Pearl Harbour as well on December 7th, when the Japs bombed Schofield barracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan View Post
    The USA adopted an isolationist policy in both world wars. Each would have been lost if it wasn't for grudging American intervention. Same for Korea (cast an eye on to who started it). The reason we enjoy our way of life is solely due to the Pax Americana.
    I have to say it , that is absolute Bolloxs noone has ever feared the American millitary only its Industrial complex . They raped Europe and the Poms ,take the blinkers off and stop listening to the propaganda .
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