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Thread: Working on my submission, ideas?

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    Member Ben Waimata's Avatar
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    Working on my submission, ideas?

    I've been working on my submission and this is where I am at currently, would love some feedback from you experts!

    Background; I've got over 30 years experience with semi autos for pest control on farm/forest, but never set foot on a gun range in my life. I can only comment on pest control.

    I'm going to talk generally about pest control, and the threat to our economy and ecology from pest animals, and the potential for them to get out of control without access to appropriate control tools (as is happening in parts of Australia).

    My main issue is with the category system. I believe B, C, D, E should be more or less ok as they are, maybe stricter controls, maybe stricter acquisition criteria, but really these are well covered in the law already.

    Cat A is the big problem. First, nothing that can ever be made into a MSSA should be available on A.

    But actually MSSA is not the big issue here. Some of you guys on this forum with your expensive gear are far more dangerous than some fool with an AKM. Some of you guys who can comfortably trim the whiskers off a kitten at 1000m are amazing. You have my respect, and if it came to a fight I'd rather face an entire army than one of you.
    So I think cat A needs to be split in half.

    So my suggestion (more like Aus rules);

    Entry level Cat A (I'll call it A1), for beginner shooters, also suitable for city people who want to go to the range, or occasionally onto a farm, but not hunting the high country. Limited to manual action .22 or double barrell shotgun.

    Cat A2 (which will require much stricter vetting) everything else that is current Cat A, so high powered bolt action centrefire hunting rifles, semi auto .22 and shotgun with the current 15rd rimfire, 7rd centrefire limit (as these mags are already widely out there).

    I will also suggest that before there is a massively expensive buy back, all options should be considered to permanently and irreparably convert the new MSSA-types to fit the new regulations. Appealing to saving taxpayer funds works for me, and might to politicians too. Perhaps some distinguishing feature on an AR might be added so that it is obvious from a distance that it is not a MSSA? Throwing ideas around here....

    Maybe we could add a physical inspection of all rifles/shotguns at FAL renewal time.

    Whatever happens, we need much more vigorous prosecutions and sentences for firearms offences.


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    Sorry mate. Don't mean to hijack but there was a link posted on here to make a submission a few whiskeys ago.

    I can't find it or remember which thread it was in. Can someone please repost it here.

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    yeah nah.
    Not a fan of that one

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    Does cat A2 automatically give you A1?..

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    Ben ...you nailed it one statement nothing that can be converted to an E cat MSSA weapon, with or without a mag should never be able to be purchased under an A cat licence..
    the other untidy bit is the access to large mags without strict controls needs fixing...
    A cat I dont think needs tinkering with at all, I believe it is fit for purpose. Whatever is done..will that stop the next Molenaar, Aramoana..not someone determined to act out the scenes in their fragile minds....they still shoot each other in Oz after a 700,000 hand-in of weapons...
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    Stream of concious stuff as im making notes for my own submission but this may help.
    My first rifles were obtained with a permit to procure then registered at the local station. Too expensive to administer, so we got the red book lifetime licence for the individual, they flooded the market with old slrs, and aramoana happened, thats not working so we invent on the fly different classes and ditch the lifetime for the current one, laws still not working so more changes are applied, appealed against, lost new change made appealed, etc.
    All this is a history of tinkering by people who have little or no practical experience with firearms, and who refuse to listen to the advice of those that do.
    This is the first real chance for a decent review of the fireams leglislation and it must be done in consultation with firearms users as they are willing to lend their expertiese to produce something that is workable, practical, and efficent.
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    I read submissions have been cancelled?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwijames View Post
    I read submissions have been cancelled?
    wtf ? Exactly as @Marty Henry stated above we ended up with laws that are ineffective and have loopholes and unintended consequences because the muppets and politicians don’t listen to advice from people who know what they’re talking about.

    Ah, but Shithill and Alpers and the media have already convinced the politicians that they can not allow the extreme pro gun lobby lunatics to have any voice in the law changes. Democracy at work..... yeah/nah. Fucking hypocrites

    Anyway does any one know how long we have for submissions? I’m going into the bush today for a week

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    If they are doing that then due process is not being followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chainsaw View Post
    wtf ? Exactly as @Marty Henry
    Anyway does any one know how long we have for submissions? I’m going into the bush today for a week
    Question is, submission on WHAT?

    Advisable to submit on the lines of the current order made or your submission will be irrelevant. They had cross-parliament support on that one, later when sense sets in, other changes less firm, but no one is going back on the order now made. IT WILL come into law.

    Simon Bridges in his speech stated, "no one needs an MSSA for recreational purposes", so I take it that is where National draws its line. He did not say semi-automatic.

    I predict they will come for the MSSAs. The 90s muppets who drew up the MSSA legislation made ineffective legislation in not addressing free availability without any license of high capacity magazines. Instead they wasted time talking about pistol grips, bayonet lugs, folding stocks etc. I would not say they killed 50 people as another kill method could have been used - but it was not.

    Tighter screening for A vs E cat, I think E cat is largely going to disappear, along with MSSAs on the pile, so that is a moot point.

    Anyway, it is insane to say you can trust someone with an A cat but not an E cat. Safe is a yes/no answer, not by degrees.
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