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Thread: Worth a read - Otago Daily Times

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    Nor West of Auckland on the true right of the Kaipara River

    Worth a read - Otago Daily Times

    Gangsters with guns can get the message or the time, writes Mike Loder.

    The greatest lie of the gun control debate is that there is any debate at all. All the facts are in. We are now left to choose reality or agenda.

    We know that literally 99% of the nation's firearm offences are committed by those without a firearm licence. Yet entire media reports on the issue don't mention these criminals once.

    New Zealand has very low gun crime. This has remained consistently low - over decades - despite significant population increases. But the main source of the problem that we do have is recidivism.

    One single offender has 46 separate firearm convictions. The worst five gun offenders alone can boast a total of 135 firearm convictions.

    More than 50 offenders have been convicted of threatening police with a firearm more than once. This is more telling than the one offender with nine convictions for this. Or another with nine separate convictions for possessing an illegal firearm.

    Fully 9% of our gang members have been charged with five or more firearm offences. All this adds up to one truth, our gangsters have no fear of using guns.

    Our worst gun theft was perpetrated by an offender serving a non-custodial sentence for their LAST firearm crime. Only 8% of gun thieves will be caught by police. And police refuse to treat gun thefts with any more priority than a stolen toaster.

    They refuse to even attend 12% of scenes. Or do so days late, often ''attending'' by phone! Then the cascade of failure continues. If a gun thief is prosecuted, they can expect a pitiful punishment. If they are unlucky, they will be fined less than the value of the stolen gun.

    If by some miracle they get actual prison time, less than 10% will serve a day because of concurrent sentencing. Some will even be rewarded for having illegal guns, trading them for time off their drug sentence.

    The answer is simple. Make the theft and use of firearms in any serious crime an automatic aggravating factor. A judge did just that recently in a judgement against an offender with an illegal assault rifle.

    That was in response to the accused not learning from the chance that a previous judge had given him with a non-custodial sentence for a sawn-off shotgun.

    Around the same time, another gang member received home detention for shooting up a house, while his associate shot the victim inside.

    Others have received community service for illegal possession of an armoury that included an AK47.

    Yet people still ask where the problem may be?

    They suggest that bigger safes may be the answer - even as gangsters storm our homes and demand these are opened at knifepoint.

    The problem here is clear. A tiny number of recidivist criminals. So why won't the police union address the issue? Its president told me it is because ''the Labour Party won't go for it''.

    So it attacks the lawful 250,000 vetted shooters instead of fewer than 2000 vicious criminals.

    This extremist union made a telling submission to the Law and Order committee that was considering how to stop criminals from getting guns. It didn't mention punishing criminals ONCE, in a 57-point submission running to 19 pages.

    It did propose dawn raids to ''check'' lawful shooters, granting us fewer rights than convicted gang members. It also called for shooters to lose the ability to seek judicial review of police abuses.

    Criminals will always have access to firearms. They will smuggle, modify, manufacture, steal. But whether they choose to use them is up to us. Let's say ''No more'' in the only language that works. Prison time.

    -Mike Loder is an Auckland-based campaigner for stronger sentencing of armed offenders. He has been researching ''international gun control systems'' for 25 years.
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    Makes a hell of a lot of sense @Rushy. Therefore it can't possibly work.
    “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.” - Thucydides 463BC

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    Dam someone calling a spade a spade well I never. Bet this get pushed under the carpet quick smart nice to see it get some air though....maybe it might come to something but.....we’ll who knows strange things have happened.
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    If his numbers are correct then I agree
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    Mike got the "air time" after a number of gun owners wrote in with their opinions and asked for their ODT subscriptions to be cancelled.

    Never underestimate your power or influence.

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    How dare they publish a well reasoned and neutral toned article without asking for Phil Alpers reasoned and well thought out view point to balance this piece of rabid pro gun properganda. A few made up facts and maybe a comment from that guy at otagos peace and conflict studied dept wouldnt go amiss either.
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    Ohooo Mr @Marty Henry I can't believe that you but Phil Allers and peace and conflict in the same paragraph!
    Isn't that an oxymoron? Where the peace (Goong around doing what we love) and Phil is the conflict running around trying to destroy what we love
    Mars well say that Eugene Sage has one of us between her legs well she dose think where......ohooo never mind
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    Great post and factually correct.

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    50 unhealthy illiterates with their affiliations tattooed on their faces could never intimidate entire cities without the police. If they were really the "outlaw 1%" they would outside the law and not enjoy its protection. That is the definition of outlaw. By definition an outlaw is outside the law and can be killed by anyone, any time. We don't have any outlaws in this country. We just have fat silly men playing make believe while hiding behind blue uniforms. Without welfare and prison food they would starve.
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