is that a HP Savage????round I spy there...
is that a HP Savage????round I spy there...
That’s a poor mans Swift. 22-303 full length. In Aussie there were one or two shorter lengths. I am using hornady 75 sst in that oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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thought it was too big n fat for a savage hp....... you DO like speed LOL.
Load the 25/06 properly and you can get .257 Wby mag book velocity, you really gain 150-200 fps at most, if, you know how to get it in the first place - been there/done that, prefer 25/06, feel like I need one again.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregdudehunter
Thanks mate I appreciate your advice
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+1Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
you read in the US stuff about the occasional batch of Winchester 70's (I think) that used to come up in 257 Roberts. Went like hot cakesQuote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
A good read!
My 25-06 seems to bowl over anything I put in front of it. Haven't stretched it's legs beyond 250m as I tend to get closer where possible. Smacked another deer over the weekend. Bang flop. Playing with handloads and currently have got it grouping .6 of an inch so far. Still trialling seating depths.
I like the v8 analogy someone said earlier...yes it uses a bit of fuel but that just adds to the overall experience!
just like the 6.5 06
Almost as good as a .223!Quote:
Originally Posted by Strummer
Greetings All,
I am really surprised that this thread has gone on so long. I don't own a .25-06 and never have but here is my two pence worth anyway. I think that the basic problem for the .25-06 is that it doesn't do things much better than a lot of smaller cartridges like the .257 Roberts and not quite as well as larger cartridges like the 6.5 mm and .270. The standard 1 in 10" twist limits its projectiles to 120 grains and rightly or wrongly it has gained a reputation as a barrel burner. Some of the current crop of 6.5mm cartridges leave it for dead. It's that simple.
Regards Grandpamac.
Showing off how much you don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
....Please enlighten us, where is he wrong? :XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
Greetings 257 Weatherby and All,
I didn't say the .25-06 is not a good cartridge but that it was not popular due to the reasons I outlined. I just checked the current offerings from Reloaders and out of 92 rifles none were 25 calibre let alone any in .25-06. 18 6.5mm, most of them Creedmoor's were listed. I believe it was more popular in the past but not today. The OP asked the question why it was not more popular so perhaps that is what needs to be addressed.
Regards Grandpamac
I was persuaded a while back when getting a custom rifle built, to consider a 6.5 - 06
So put simply, a 6.5 projectile sitting on top of a 25 06 case
At present Ive got a 143 Gr ELD X at 2870 fps and grouping about .4 of an inch at 100 yds. Not being a benchrest shooter, small groups and reasonable velocity are only important to allow me to knock over what I put the crosshairs on. So far the 6.5 06 has proved to be a great choice even though I was sceptical at the start; I can confidently kill an animal at 100 yds and then dial up a bit of elevation and repeat the process out to (so far) 480 yds.
While there might not be a lot of popularity now for the 25-06, if you replace the 25 with 6.5 then you've got a pretty much perfect calibre for anything you're likely to come accross. Only downside is there is no factory ammo available so this will be the one single issue that will disadvantage the 6.5 06. Certainly worth considering if youre a handloader
You made a definitive statement, I'll come back to you tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
Bitecha bum, open your popcorn, and wait for later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
Not sure when prefacing a point with "I think that the basic problem ...." became a definitive statement. But then, any calibre argument is going to bring out the fanboys on both sides :XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
And thats why the PRC is so popular already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bos
Its a 6.5-06 that has factory ammo and brass and even fits in a short action (just)
Tho all things 6.5 are in short supply at the mo things will catch up.
:) After 18 pages it doesn't look like too many people are convinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by 257weatherby
But truth is, if it was the only caliber available here you could still grab your rifle and kill any NZ animal at a reasonable distance, without a fuss.
The 110 Nosler hooning along at a good speed sounds like ok medicine.
The problem being the 6.5/06 and the 25/06 were always said to need a 24" barrel to get the best out of them. I've had both over the years and love the .25 cal I just wish they made more high BC pills for them, then I would have another 25/08.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bos
I see you 6.5/06 speeds with the 143 ELDX are almost the same as a 20" .260 which will use less powder, which is why I don't have a 6.5/06 anymore.
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Righto, give me some basis for your opinion, not something your wife heard from her hairdresser that heard it from a girl who's boyfriend heard it from a bloke who talked to a bloke who read it on the internet, posted by a guy who heard about it from a mate who once talked to a bloke who saw one once......Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
My basis for opinion is this: Over nearly 40 yrs I have shot animals with everything from 338 Lap down to .243 and most mainstream cartridges in between. (Except 30/06, somehow that never happened) I've had 7 25/06's in that time, only 2 of them did not stay long in my possession and that had nothing to do with their ability to kill stuff. Two of those 25's had their barrels shot out. Most of the cartridges (lets leave out the actual magnums) that I hear bla bla better than 25/06, I have used to actually kill stuff with - so I have direct experience to draw comparison with, not hearsay. The only real criteria I have, is that whatever I carry, it has to be able to kill cleanly with one shot, 25/06 has never failed me. Oddly neither has .243, my current goto for anything on legs. Maybe I'm just lucky.
I did love my 300 Weatherby though, that thing was dynamite on Tahr! I know where a 691 in 25/06 can be found if anybody had a hankering .
Greetings 257 Weatherby and All,
In his opening post Rock river arms hunter, clearly a fan of the 25-06, asked the question why it was more popular in NZ. Clearly both of you have had excellent results and I don't dispute that. I also don't dispute that the 25-06 is not an excellent cartridge but the question posed by RRAH was not if it was any good but why it was not more popular and my comments addressed that. Although Remington introduced the 25-06 late in 1969 it had already been a semi wildcat for 50 years at least. I seem to remember that it was quite popular after introduction but since then laser range finders have made flat trajectory less desirable than heavier high BC projectiles that are less deflected by the breeze. No projectile manufacturer is going to develop high BC projectile if there are no rifles that can stabilise them.
The cartridge market is a fickle place. Decisions by rifle purchasers are often made for reasons far removed from how well they perform. Most people like something new and there is plenty of new about at the moment but not much for the 25 calibre. I thought that FN/ Winchester dropped the ball by not using a faster twist in the 25 WSSM to allow some higher BC projectiles but it has flopped for various reasons.
In summary to both you and RRAH enjoy your 25 calibre rifles, they work just as well as they ever did, or better with some of the newer projectiles but I think they are likely to continue to lose market share to the 6.5 cartridges especially the PRC.
Finally like you I am a fan of the less popular cartridges, the 6.5 x 55 and 7mm SAUM being examples in my rifle cupboard and I do have 25-06 and 257 Roberts dies so one day perhaps.
Regards Grandpamac.
Always wanted one but never got one.
Only know 2 people that have/had them and both like them very much
The government are likely to ban the 25-06. They don’t want people crawling around in the bush looking for lost and wounded animals when they could instead be working hard to earn money so they can pay their tax. :)
.... @Tahr - are you alright mate? :P - Comments like that suggest you are looking for an argument.....whether it's caliber related, government related, bullshit related....whatever..... :XD:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Hah, I’m sure some people could find an argument in anything. It’s well proven on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
......Couldn't agree more - myself included at times - but your comment (as I read it) is a rebuke to a government intent on banning things...because they can...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Nah it’s a comment on the irony of getting upset about the effectiveness or not of a bit of copper and lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
Greetings All,
Noticed an error in the third sentence which should have read: I also don't dispute that the 25-06 is an excellent cartridge ......
Grandpamac.
bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Nice. The younger generation than me would say “I saw what you did there”.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
A case’s head stamp has never killed a deer.
I still can't believe this thread is going :XD:
The irony being I haven't owned a 25-06 for years.
I find myself grabbing the trusty 308 more often than not. However if funds allowed and I didn't love my 284win then I'd buy a 25-06 again in a heartbeat.
I've come to the conclusion it doesn't matter what you use , if you're confident and competent with it and it works.... who really cares? Is a deer going to tell you the difference between a 25-06 and a 270 at a given range? I would think not in the real world sense ��
I cut my teeth on a 2506 and now with most of my hunting being fallow if I could afford it I'd go back to 1 in a heart beat
Never shot one. Been told they kill like lightening at moderate ranges. I think like the 270, their day in the sun was when dially scopes were a rarity and long MPBR had its merits.
The high bc 6.5 and 7mm bullets start climbing away from the 2506 after ~400m in terms of wind drift and energy on target in similar and smaller cartridges.
All a moot point for me where 200m is a long shot where I employ a range of cartridges including shortly a 250savage
The single biggest historical problem with 2506 has been a lack of projectiles that can perform at high muzzle velocity and also at range. A muzzle velocity of 3300 -3400 and 100 metre shots plays havoc with non bonded projectiles.
Although based on an 06 case the 2506 has a totally different recoil impulse compared to a 270 and is very easy to shoot accurately.
Meat damage is low. I average 2 litres of shot trim per carcass with a 2506. I dont think paper figures do it justice.
Greetings All,
To Rock river arms hunter you must be amazed at the number of new wonder cartridges, some excellent, that have appeared since your opening post almost 9 years ago. Some of which have already sunk without trace. Performance and popularity are clearly unrelated. Sometimes a new cartridge captures the shooting publics notice and it's popularity sky rockets as has happened with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Norma factory loads for the 6.5 x 55 offered similar performance to the Creedmoor decades ago but is often ignored today (not by me though). Pushover you are to be congratulated on your choice of the .250 Savage, the great great grand daddy of the Creedmoor. I would be interested to know more about your rifle.
Regards Grandpamac.
Hi Mac, I have 2. Both well used 50s rifles. 1is an FN Mauser and the other a savage99.
Being 14twist I've loaded up some 90gr hpbt though haven't shot them yet.
Greetings Pushover,Quote:
Originally Posted by Pushover
Thanks for that. I half remembered a post on your rifles but was too lazy to go back and find it. Will do that now. Accommodating that slow twist will be an interesting exercise. Please keep us informed. I think in over 50 years of wandering in the bush I have come across just one hunter carrying a .250 Savage and it was built on a Remington 600 action. That 99 will draw some attention.
Regards Grandpamac.