try hand loads with 47 grns 2208 and 130gn sierra soft point boat tail bullets just under 2800ft sec. in 10 years have only double shot one animal. these projectile open very well and drop game at over 400 meters.
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try hand loads with 47 grns 2208 and 130gn sierra soft point boat tail bullets just under 2800ft sec. in 10 years have only double shot one animal. these projectile open very well and drop game at over 400 meters.
25+ years using .270
shot all but 3 of N.Z.s game animals with it
pencil through at close range without opening= didn't hit bone AT ALL
aim to break one or better still both shoulders...you cant drive far without front wheels
Ive had bullets fly to pieces at close range..but pushing a 110 grn varmit pill into wee fallows shoulder was maybe asking a bit much...didn't go anywhere but.
go too high and hit "the void" and no calibre is going to help you much..... well .50BMG may do it.
I shot a bailed boar at point blank last year with a 270 130grain SP. Absolutely hammered him. Was like the 44Mag. It didn't pencil through. The 270 is a lot of grunt but is fine for all that use and swear by it.
I have shot plenty of impala ,blesbok, kudu ,warthog you name it. Every time on close range the bullet disintegrated rather than went straight through. Monolithic solids is a different story.
same old story ..projectile choice......
Ive shot all sorts but only time bullet "disintergrated" was 110 varmit bullet on young fallow. the funny bit when guys say bullet failed is they know it from looking at very dead animal...cant make an omlet without breaking eggs
why guys don't dual load is beyond me
load up with good hefty pill for jumped up spook n shoot and carry long range super duper load
eg 150 partition and a ballistic tip for out further
sorry Brenyt...your post agrees with what Ive said up close they pull apart/expand or do what they are ment to...beyond me that fellas reckon they pencil through?????
Its still just a lump of copper and lead traveling at about the same speed as everything else does, and the difference in diameter between most common calibers is just a few thou of an inch or the width of a few hairs.
We worry too much.
Not thsa i disagree with you BC because I fully agree about worrying/over complicating things but certain projectiles work better in a velocity node. Ive got nothing on you in terms of hunting experience, but I'm on my fourth .270 so I know the calibre pretty well and have used/tried many different projectiles. Theres only been one choice of the many projectikes I've used on game in my opinion thats been a failure in terms of quick kills and massive brusing/meat damage and thats been the 130/140gr sst. Never tried the Btips in the same weight due to being of similar construction. Best has been 150gr Partitions.
All good, I see that reading it at a time when im not so tired, :D
the great caliber debate is just as bad as this bloody ford vs holden malarkey that has been going on for god knows how many years still amusing when the man bags start getting biffed about at each other though :D
And ive plentu of handbags too choose from too! Haha. I don't think ive ever bagged a caliber in my life. If it shoots, it kills then it does its job. It does amaze me how many people bag the .270 though due to the lack of projectile weight choices. When you can choose from 110, 130, 140, 150, 165 and finally 170 - if you cant find a suitable projectile in that range then I think there's an issue elsewhere....... thank god the yanks still know what a real caliber is! :thumbsup:
the other complaints is low BC bullets even though that is now starting to improve with the VLD bullets you can get for it lost count of how many times I have heard people say or have read on different forums how the 270 is savage when it comes to recoil, then some say they have seen more animals wounded with a 270 than any other caliber (maybe poor shot placement or using the wrong bullet for the job?)
Just sold mine :D
Damn, if I had known that gibo I would have bought it and added it to the collection! Haha
As Tahr mentioned above - we over complicate things and projectile BC means nothing within 500yds - and there wouldn't be to many that shoot beyond that or that are capable. Over 500yds the .270 really isn't the long range rig choice and thats a fair choice. It wouldn`t be mine if I was shooting further than that.
Thought I'd way in on this thread being a .270 owner. Blooded my latest rifle this evening under the full moon, a nice porker. Shot him from about 30m. I was using 130g Federal powershock ammunition.
The projectile entered the chest and blitz the engine room into soup using all its energy in the animal before stopping just under the skin of the opposite shoulder.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...8236c9ae91.jpg
Pretty good result.
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ballistic tips were/are designed by Nosler for a purpose.......... using them as a good for everything load ISNT THAT PURPOSE
SST aren't the same projectile
partitions are said to be the ducks nuts.....great but they cost
you wouldn't use just any old load in a .22-250 would you????
poke any .270 load into meat saver area with animal side on or facing slightly away = dead animal
try through shoulder and you need to be a tad more sensible
big angry stag hyped up and bigger/heavier/harder is more sensible still
guys shoot Fallow with VMax projectiles in .30 cal..but they don't shoulder shoot horses for courses that's a specialist head/high neck load designed to decapitate, opposite theory to big stag load.
stag/bush load you want it to hold together and penetrate
other load to blow up causing maximum trauma in minimum area
general purpose load sits somewhere in between
hilux are a great wagon for family but you wont go mud plugging with road slicks or cruising length of country with ya maxxis mudders
both will work if your carefull and selective of what you try to do
Each to their own Morgan. Its just my experience with the ssts. Since I stopped using them 3 - 4 years ago I haven't had to take a 2nd shot at a deer, I've salvaged alot more meat due to in not ending up like its been put through a blender. I could be a mud shot, but as above - haven't had to take a second shot in 4 years.
point taken and Fair enough each to their own.
In my own opinion putting an animal down for the count as fast as possible take priority even over meat i dear say it. for me the SST choice is one of successful experience (and always try to hit wheels and boiler) and cost efficiency as i shoot alot, i guess my frustration comes when a new hunter spends a ton of cash dorking round with numerous loads after spending a night on the comp when they will be shooting well within 300 typically anyways but given their own findings think best to multi load.
Then being in the field grabbing the wrong load, or running out of the right load and as uncle bobs not home (and only new to the sport with no reloading gear) couldnt reload more of the appropriate one and using one that potentially has a different POI and not validating it. then wondering why they wounded an animal. it happens. Dont really know if its load, placement, POI etc.....
ok this is what works for me
170 grn speer round nose for in the bush/or a 150 partition now
130 grn ballistic tip for out in open
MY rifle puts the 1" high and 3" high at 100 yards and MY RIFLE will put any load/all loads into a 4" area at 100 yards combination group
for last 20 years Ive just loaded what ever took my fancy into rifle usually swapping to lighter accurate load when out in open and back to big solid job when in the bush.
best aiming point for me is take out one or both shoulders. and Ive arse shot more animals with .270 than I care to count..only shot available and not many animals around back then so took what I could get.
or if you need it more direct shoot the friggin thing in the right place and don't expect a lightly built projectile to work up close at speed if you try to shoot up arse or through shoulder bones, a big heavy or bonded type projectile much better for that .
direct enough????
For a pretty comprehensive resource on different cartridges try .270 Winchester
What do you mean by the last part of your post there? What do you call a lightly built projectile? If you take a 243 for example, anyone that knows anything about the round should know that the best perforance out of a 243 round is to hit bone.
So if a huge stag is standing 60m away with the 243 , its not that some people think and aim at the softest part behind the shoulder so you get deeper penetration with a lighter pill but you really should be aiming for the middle of the shoulder and that will certainly knock it over. The behind the shoulder may be a kill shot but its likely its going to run(maybe even a fair distance) where the shoulder shot hitting bone will drop it far quicker and will do the job.(of course a well place neck or head shot will work also)
So if a light 243 pill will bowl over any stag you coming across at close range hitting the shoulder why wouldnt a lighter 270 pill be even more lethal? Or didnt i get the point of that last statement i pointed out.
I have always used a 243 in the bush, and if you hit the shoulder its dead, including decent size stags(biggest 140kg plus(126kg no head) shoulder shot, went 10 m then flop, dead. NB i have also shot deer with the texas heart shot with the 243 pills and they have all gone down, you certain dont need 150gr plus projectiles in the bush at close range or further out to bowl stags or deer over thats for sure.
Lightly built projectile as in targex Amax etc.
Taking your 243 for example that aim for bone shot that is good for 100 gr sp is suddenly a very bad idea with lighter bullets going faster
Deer243 - What Micky Duck is saying I believe is not the weight of the projectile but the construction. The sst has a thin copper jacket to aid expansion whereas an accubond will be thicker for penetration. A mate soley uses Amaxs in his 308 and its leathal - we have never found the projectile in one piece - its always in a million , but its always dropped them on thd spot from 10yds to 400yds. For Rogers270 the sst works well for him and thats great, for me when I trialled it in 130gr, it didn't work so great - not on red skins anyway. Im keen to try the ssts in 150gr one day as aparently a different kettle of fish to the 130grs.
Edit: just seen VCs post - man im a slow typer. Took me 15 minutes for the above! :D
deer .243
lightly constructed....try a say 55 grn load in your .243 a you have been using it...no please don't.
the Amax is an oddity in that its lightly constructed but works very well....MOST guys use it at longer range where velocity is dropping so its volatile nature works at the slower speed where a harder pill would pencil through.
a lot of bad press thrown at 130grn ballistic tip loads when used up close n personal at high speed the BT was/is designed for open country/longer range haven't tried them myself but APPARENTLY the 150 BT is much better too as its got a bit more mass to keep together and will be a little slower from get go.
again back to your ratgun/2for free...LMAO one end of scale has a barnes type deer penertrating load right through to super fast varmit 55grners that will blow to pieces very shallow wound but massive energy..the barnes will drive through and should exit (does in .223) the 55 will have to be spot on in placement headshot result in nothing above neck.
Cheers felllows, i understand what you were trying to say now. As i only use factory ammo that works for me in my 243 and now 308 as well im not up to date on the different types of projectiles . Always would of thought a lightly built projectile would work better at close range rather than long range but you have educated me
At least the core locks kill the deer. I believe a majority of hunters don't bother bringing back the whole carcass but usually the back steaks and the rear legs for the most courageous ones.so what ever damage done on the front end of the boiler room should not bother them.
I had some success with a7,62x39 for shooting deer in the bush with a reasonable ( minimum?) amount of meat damage.
I have also tried the 300 black out with a125 gr balistic tip with similar effects.
LMAO we use the 125grn ballistic tip in the x39mm
this thread still going? should have shot it with a .270 SST............................
managed my personal longest shot on a deer yesterday...first hit 350 yards put it down, it got up again when I got to 275yards at which time I managed to do job properly. both 130 grn reloads.
was in open country and we were watching carefully as we got closer. I don't normally take shot that far but deer were heading off to safer ground. had re sighted rifle in day before so was confident enough to take shot.
have a look at at ballistic studies.com nathan foster he has a video on anealing sst projectiles very intresting website and its kiwi
.270 win are rubbish!!! :ORLY: Need to ream out the chamber to .270 Gibbs. 11.1% increase in case capacity over the standard 270. 150gn projectiles at 3000-3100 fps. Now we are talking.
It is all down to projectile choice and bullet placement. Like we tell the newbies in Huntsoc anything from 243 up in the right spot will work just fine.