So of the literally hundreds(probably only just hundreds but hundreds non the less) of deer i have shot with the 308 how was i disadvantaged with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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So of the literally hundreds(probably only just hundreds but hundreds non the less) of deer i have shot with the 308 how was i disadvantaged with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Come on... you know its King in its factory form :)Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
308AI is actually something I have always wanted to do - I'm deff a 30cal bogan :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
If you shot them at short range, you weren't, because you could have used anything at all within reason and it would have done the same job
The ORIGINAL post said about the invisible line at 800y
Once wind was sorted I have had consistent hits at 1140y EVERYONE needed sighters for wind that day.
Is it a long range cal. of course it bloody isnt. and as i said realistically 600 is it on animals.
708 is so small a gain its not worth considering.
Short range there is a definite cal advantage on game. If you dont believe this you need to shoot more game and watch more game be shot with differing cals.;)
It must make things deader than dead.
I actually own a .308 (it's my secret shame).
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Originally Posted by Tussock
55gr hornady in .224 and buckshot win in my camp considering that scenario. Yay! Go buckshot.:thumbsup:
Its popularity is based on numbers
The most prolific caliber 2nd only to the 7.62x39?
.223 is probably more so
I think I have your dies. Or I gave them to Headcase. I forget.
Yes I realize it was a joke as was my first post in the thread:D
It was only the recoil comment that drew me in....................Pussy:D
Yea I've been meaning to try some 75gr Hornady BTHP and Winchester power points etc. I've just been using Hornady Training loaded with their 55gr soft points. Lots of wtf moments with it. Example, I shot a big billy goat and a nanny in the chest at maybe 60m and they turned around and walked off. 10 minutes later I dialled out to 350m and was dropping goats across a gully like they were being hit by the fist of god. We jumped another mob that was about 150m away when we started firing. They were running across a hill side while we were laying into them and we thought we were missing. They started dropping and upon inspection they had multiple wounds, all of them in areas that should have killed or incapacitated them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
14.5"?
Too slow, maybe?
I'll go shoot some with 77gr SMK next week and report back. 60gr vmax maybe?
Pity the 75 amax won't fit in the mag.
Na that was with my 16" Rock River. Velocity should be around the 3000fps mark, somebody told me they were getting 3100fps out of an 18" tube with it.
On that same trip my mate shot a goat at about 20m with a 55gr Nosler varmint projectile, out of his 14.5" and it didn't fragment violently. It actually ran a few meters before collapsing. There was no evidence of bullet blow up, basically just performed like a soft point. I think that the 55gr Hornady soft point is just unpredictable. Sometimes it fragments, other times it pencils through. I did have one shot of it do catastrophic damage at closer range. Massive open exit wound in the neck/shoulder, arterial bleed and stuff, was pretty messy.
The 75gr BTHP (Hornady) is meant to be more reliable at killing than the 77gr Sierra's. Slightly higher BC too. I believe it is what they use in the 75gr TAP load. It is a shame you can't fit the A max's in an AR, I'd imagine they would be devastating, within reason.
Amax expands nicely in rabbits down to 1800fps impact IME so
[QUOTE=veitnamcam;38851]This is pretty much a long range site:D Now why on earth would you want to poke a big hole in something up close lol
So it drops on the spot & you don't need to chase the thing & finish the job.Like is often the case with a large bodied animal & a smaller center fire cartridge .I own 2 of them & not about to trade down any time soon .
This thread has more go than a 308
Most things do.
What about if you were shooting out to 600 yards max? Goats/deer. Still shit?
Thats my realistic max with mine..........in good-make that perfect-conditions. Wind is your enemy even more than usual with the 308.
But on a good day with the right projectile it will flatten em.
To my knowledge there is no projectile that will reliably expand on thin skinned game on a no bone shot past 700 at 308 velocity's.
I really want a Howa. But they hamstring their choices by:
Not offering a .260
Making a Swede that doesn't shoot (don't think they make it anymore)
Making a 708 with a gumby pencil dick barrel
Making a .243 with a slow twist (not sure if it would have the remaining energy to work at that range)
Their .308 has a sensible twist - 1:10. But it still looks like crap compared to the 6.5's and 7mm's, even with the heavier pills.
I could get a blued Weatherby 708 but I really want a stainless
Guess I could get a Tikka in .260 :sick: But I want a Howa action.
I want a short action standard chambering, in a quality factory rifle, for normal hunting, a dabble in medium range hunting, and informal LR steel shooting. I've got first world problems. Seriously finding the right gun and caliber is doing my fucking head in.
308 definitely isnt the pick of long range cals, impact velocity being the hold back on game.
Believe it or not mine was going alright at 1140y last time I tried on steel but windage is a lot more than the more sexy pills:D
mine goes through a waratah at 900m
but like vc said you need a lot of scope adjustment:)
I don't mind scope adjustment so long as it does the business. 600yds would be at the far end of the bell shaped curve anyway, on game. The price of the components is also attractive.
Will it stabilise 208gr? They make the .308 nearly attractive.
What's wrong with the Howa 6.5x55? It's sensible isn't it? 1:8" etc
I would presume so being a 1:10 twist.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I've read a few forum postings on the interweb about guys who can't get their Howa 6.5's to shoot. Excessive free bore apparently, which I thought is a given with a Swede. I'd probably buy one if I saw it, just to try it. Wish they would just get with the program and make a .260
There are 6.5x55 Howas on t/me all the time
I bet SMK would still shoot
Not amazing for hunting, but.
Wander what I'll end up with
I can sell you a used Howa in .308 with a 4x bushnell scope for $500. Screw a .260 barrel on, bingo, Howa .260 for like $1200.
I might actually be keen on that. That was a plan B - get a cheapish donor rifle. Got a pic or two?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Not currently, but I'll get back to you.
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Originally Posted by gimp
If you run the numbers on 168,178,208 windage will be the same(or near enough not to matter) and they will all drop below 1600fps at about the same range 650y or there abouts. The wee case just cant push the big pills fast enough to take advantage of the bc.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
However if just wanting to plink steel further out than that then the heavy pills start to win.:)
"wee little case" hahaha, -for anyone wanting to keep their rifle but wanting more oomph with the heavier high BC projectiles Ream the chamber to saum, same case length, just check it fits in the mag.
Open up the bolt face, 300saum isnt so wee anymore :)
Scott trail at ssrnz.co.nz can do it for you in a heartbeat, just give him a call or email.
Otherwise the 308 with the 168 grainers is still good, just acknowledge its LR limitations and work within them.
Because I'm not incredibly smart, I stubbornly decided to stick with 308 when I started looking at reloading/stretching the gun's legs.
After a heap of shooting to get over recoil, addition of an uncomfortably loud muzzlebreak (ask gimps ears), a recoil pad softer than katy perry's tits, a tilty rail thing, and a heap of cocking around with 190 vlds, I've got a gun that performs as well as, well, a 7mm08. I've got an urge to start a 25-06 LR ability appreciation thread.
Mmm Katy Perry's rack
MehQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Hi Guys ,
Just saw this , NICE , however , PLEASE let no one show this thread to me 308 AW , as she thinks see is shit hot , and has more range than a blackpowder musket , however thats when she is running Lapua HPS ammo , 170gr lockbase at 2820 fps , nice bc and shoots into around 2.5 inche at 500yds .
She also shoots scenar 155gr at about 2950 fps .
Later Chris
trout certainly gets a lot from his mossberg 308
Not to mention his Hawke scope as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by horihunter
Smashed a shot gun clay in 4 shots at 850m with tikka .308 monday. Today shot a clay in 2 shots at 850m. Good fun