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    assault rifle

    If I hit you with my AR15 , then its a assault rifle !

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    Good explanation, I hate it when people call them assault rifles.
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    To me an assualt rifle is a semi/full automatic with a large capacity magazine firing reduced powered rifle cartridges compared to the 6 - 8mms of WW2 and issued to teams engaging in fast highly mobile warfare.

    The fact that they are now standard issue and also used by sportsman doesnt negate the fact they were originally intended for "assualts" compared to static warfare and thats the niche they were designed to fill back in the 1940's and into the 1950's.

    Its a common term, sometimes used incorrectly but Im sure people have better things to do in life than argue semantics.
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    I don't think an assault rifle is used by sports shooters. An assault rifle would be a select fire weapon, so would require a "C" Licence here. A semi auto AR15 is as much an assault rifle as a Benelli R1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRW87 View Post
    To me an assualt rifle is a semi/full automatic with a large capacity magazine firing reduced powered rifle cartridges compared to the 6 - 8mms of WW2 and issued to teams engaging in fast highly mobile warfare.

    The fact that they are now standard issue and also used by sportsman doesnt negate the fact they were originally intended for "assualts" compared to static warfare and thats the niche they were designed to fill back in the 1940's and into the 1950's.

    Its a common term, sometimes used incorrectly but Im sure people have better things to do in life than argue semantics.
    Would the 6/8mm then be the assault rifles of yesteryear then?

    If they are, then the question is only how modern they are

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    Think he meant the 8mm mauser ,303 and the like, ie the std infantry rounds of the time, large long range cartridges. After WW1 The germans realised why have a round that will go to 2000 metres when most shooting is done between 50 and 400. The 7.92x33 Kurz , a shortened and version of the 7.92x57was their answer to the problem and the Sturmgewher mp44 probably the first "assault" rifle issued anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Would the 6/8mm then be the assault rifles of yesteryear then?

    If they are, then the question is only how modern they are
    Wasn't the term for the heavier ones a 'battle rifle' or something? Or maybe I'm imagining things.

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    An assault rifle is a rifle used by assaulting infantry to assault a position static or mobile and can maintain supressive fire on a position from moderate distance. Generally fully auto capable.
    The Sturm was definitely the first closed bolt assault rifle.
    Arguments can be made for the Thompson and M1
    Its how I remember it being explained during my stint as a grunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    Wasn't the term for the heavier ones a 'battle rifle' or something? Or maybe I'm imagining things.
    I believe battle rifles refers to select fire rifles chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO M14, G3, FN FAL etc etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
    Arguments can be made for the Thompson and M1


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    Thompson fires pistol ammo, so SMG?
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    Was used by US Para troop NCOs to supress and mark targets by splash.
    So caliber is irrelevant due to its role in the assault But who cares it is a term (assault rifle) that gets taken out of context by all and sundrie.
    Good snipers can suppress or halt movement for days with a bolt action. Are they deemed to be a DFSW element?


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    That description fits for certain arms like the AUG Steyr. We were trained to open bolt, unlatch the barrel and use as a baton/protection device in certain situations where the opposition isn't 'armed' with firing weapons and then aren't meeting 'rules of engagement' legal tests to use 'lethal force' (without the appearance of giving the kids clubs and permission to go forth and thump sense into the locals).

    Otherwise, I use that description for any rifle when you've run out of bullets e.g. you now need to swing the thing from the muzzle like a club and hope the heavy bit at the other end holds together. It's a stupid term and as far as I know has never been used by any military outfit - it's purely a media jack up IMO.
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    So if you own say an AR solely for the purpose of self defense, does it then become an anti-assault rifle?
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    I think i have finally found a forum with good guys and good chat lol

 

 

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