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I've just picked up a Marlin 1894 CSBL .357 with my jacindabux.
I was looking for a lever gun thats cheap to run, to have fun with and maybe use on goats or deer.
Ive never used a pistol calibre carbine before, what is the best distance to zero at and what distance can I ethically shoot out to?
I'm hoping to spend some of my Jacindabux on the same rifle, minus the big loop be interested to see what you think of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Sh00ter
I've sighted min in at 75m. 75m zero using 125gr HP at 2220fps gives you a trajectory peak of 43mm high at 40m, 95mm low at 100m.
as per above...as for ethical distance.....she is no powerhouse but a pill in the right place out to that distance will do the bizo....wouldnt attempt a shoulder shot on a red but slip one in tight behind or close infront of the shoulder and it should go down quick enough...if you have the accuracy to neck shoot...the base of neck gives you both...see the excellent hillar area thread.... your choice of ammunition will be CRITICLE ...most factory rounds for this cartridge are designed for soft skinned upright two legged critters...maximum expansion in shallow area being desired........a little different to what you want for four legged game.
For ethical shooting distance it'll be a mix of when it falls below 1000 ft pounds of energy and when the rainbow trajectory is too much to reliably hold over
Yeah the 357 ain't no 2hundy Deer cannon, they're pretty piss weak but will be Ok as a real close range so as hotb said 75, I use to run my super short 44 running 225's at 75 yards seemed to be the best alround distance for a bush gun
You should of gone for a 44 if wanting to use it as a Red bush gun
How far did you shoot out with it? It would be dropping like a stone at 150Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipo
Mine would only be for fun (shits as giggles, plate racks etc) and maybe the odd spotlighted wally. and only in 357 as I already have brass and reloading gear :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipo
them "not so good on deer" loads would be ideal on wallys......
Yeah 100-125 yards max aye. Even the 225 flixtips in a really hot load were only good to that distance aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
No one has asked what sights you intend to use ( factory open / scope / red dot etc ) and what loads .
The accuracy of the particular rifle and your ability to shoot it will have a huge influence on your zero distance.
There seems to be an assumption that the rifle / load combination will be accurate and the overriding thing to worry about is the rainbow trajectory .
My experience with lever actions is accuracy is not always the best no matter what you do , I have owned numerous Levers over the years and yes I still own one now .
The one and only is a 44/40 and its not because its the caliber I think is best , its just happens to be the most accurate one I’ve encountered over the years and hasn’t been let go like all the others .
To get the best out of it you will have to reload as factory ammo is loaded to pistol pressures and the rifle can handle way more.
I would have thought that a 158 or 180 grain xtp would have taken care of most deer under the 150m mark.
there USED to be two types of loads out there..pistol and rifle...the pighunters liked the pistol rounds for bail loads in thier rifles....must have been barely supersonic ,so quiet and not over penertrating...ideal for closeup headshot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Friwi.....it is all about shot placement.........think magnum .22 not much energy but if you can place projectile in right place it WILL do the job......sub 100 yards is way better than sub 150.
Cheers for the input guys.
I have a .223 and .308 so this is more of a fun gun I can shoot with the missus than a serious tool.
I sold a bunch of junk to the govt for silly money and thought it was a point of principle to turn "not a gun" into a gun, just doing my bit to keep NZ safe :wtfsmilie:
That cant be right. As stubby as a 357 125 grain is, a 22LR with CCI stingers at 1600fps has better trajectory than that. And both bullets have similar ballistic coefficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotbarrels
The trajectory just off the velocity and BC is going to better than most 22WMR loads.
Off a shooting calculator
125 HP Federal JHP, ballistic coefficient .140.
100 yard zero
Peak height less than 1 "
Drop 4" at 150 yards.
Personally I zero my 357 for about 100 yards like this. Being a 4 moa red dot and the gun shooting about 3moa I dont try and shoot too far anyway, but I have taken pigs to 150 yards.
All the 1000ftlbs energy minimum stuff the yanks talk about for deer is a little over the top too. At longer range the shock power of the 357 drops off yes but its still killing. For the record the 357 can be pushed to 1500ftlbs at the muzzle from strong actions like the Marlin 94 and Rossi/win 1892 too.
You are correct! Too used to converting imperial to metric, I took the ballistics table values in cm and multiplied them by 25.4 thinking they were inches :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by sixtus
That said, I still sight in at 75m because I'm using open sights and its about the best I can do with my eyesight.
If you lived near me I would buy you a beer for doing something like that, simply AWESOMEQuote:
Originally Posted by Sh00ter
With that comment He's got me rummaging through my parts boxes.