Thread: Better vetting of police needed?

Originally Posted by Tahr

Google this: psychological vetting of police in nz

Got the time to do this just now and got information on the polices vetting service and applications to be a Psychologist but no information on what vetting police themselves undergo or how often they are revetteted so if you could link me that information it would be appreciated.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yes I am asking what the vetting process is because I don't know for a fact what it is.

If truly anyone can snap under the pressures of life and murder others then I actually support a total disarmament of the entire country.

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You are thinking about this wrong. We need more guns and a practical right to self defense in order to defend ourselves from crazed madmen.

Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

You are thinking about this wrong. We need more guns and a practical right to self defense in order to defend ourselves from crazed madmen.

Really? More guns to defend ourselves?

You sound like a crazed madman.

Originally Posted by systolic

Really? More guns to defend ourselves?

You sound like a crazed madman.

If you're worried about me then get yourself a gun.

Originally Posted by systolic

Really? More guns to defend ourselves?

You sound like a crazed madman.

I think he's taking the piss....a bit. Don't sweat it..


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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Yes I am asking what the vetting process is because I don't know for a fact what it is.

If truly anyone can snap under the pressures of life and murder others then I actually support a total disarmament of the entire country.

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Really, doesnt mean that people that do such things use a firearm. Its far more likely a knife, bashing their heads in,run them over with a car etc is far more likely than using a firearm.Disarmament of the country wouldnt do a darm thing. Some snap by taking ones own life, most dont use a firearm. Stress, depression, rage , greive etc all do different things to different people and its unknown how it might effect ones selve.
If you had kids and some person raped and chopped them up into pieces and you ran into them face to face, how you going to react or what would you do? Its all good saying what you might or might not do but until you in that situation you going to have no idea, its life

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

No matter how bad life could get I just cannot see me murdering anyone I just don't have the malice required.
Defense of myself or family yes in a it's me or them situation but cold blooded murder no.
That takes a different personality type than mine and of that I am certain.

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Originally Posted by deer243

Really, doesnt mean that people that do such things use a firearm. Its far more likely a knife, bashing their heads in,run them over with a car etc is far more likely than using a firearm.Disarmament of the country wouldnt do a darm thing. Some snap by taking ones own life, most dont use a firearm. Stress, depression, rage , greive etc all do different things to different people and its unknown how it might effect ones selve.
If you had kids and some person raped and chopped them up into pieces and you ran into them face to face, how you going to react or what would you do? Its all good saying what you might or might not do but until you in that situation you going to have no idea, its life

Needs to be taken into context with my post above Jase.

I have had some pretty shit times in my life and some of it is exactly nailed on the head in your post,yes I knew him, yes I was fucken angry and yes I met him again after the fact. No I didn't kill him,or punch him,or even acknowledge him.
I could have killed him at anytime if I wanted to but I am not a murderer or rapist or torturer. THIS I KNOW!

If you dont KNOW you are not a murderer should you be in possession of firearms?

If shit got so bad I could not deal with it I would be more likely to take my own life but my beliefs stop me doing that too (no I am not religious )

Anyone can snap they say, everyone ha a tipping point.....nup I dont buy it sorry.

It is tragic but some of us are murderers and most of us(thankfully) are not.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Needs to be taken into context with my post above Jase.

I have had some pretty shit times in my life and some of it is exactly nailed on the head in your post,yes I knew him, yes I was fucken angry and yes I met him again after the fact. No I didn't kill him,or punch him,or even acknowledge him.
I could have killed him at anytime if I wanted to but I am not a murderer or rapist or torturer. THIS I KNOW!

If you dont KNOW you are not a murderer should you be in possession of firearms?

If shit got so bad I could not deal with it I would be more likely to take my own life but my beliefs stop me doing that too (no I am not religious )

Anyone can snap they say, everyone ha a tipping point.....nup I dont buy it sorry.

It is tragic but some of us are murderers and most of us(thankfully) are not.

I think you havnt got the point at all. I understand what you saying but saying you dont buy into anyone can snap and can have a tipping point you in dreamland. No one wants to suffer depression , :snap: or do something they regret but it happens everyday to people that have the same opinion as you. 530 plus people take their own life in this country every year, many of they lend a so called normal life and their friends dont know somethings wrong.until its too late.
The human mind can only take so much,whats your tipping point who knows but trust me there will be one . Its just life. The average joe blog doesnt want to murder or kill someone, but some get to a point when shit happens out of their control for a spilt second and the rest is history. Im sure you a very good guy CAM, but you sound like the guy that says "'i never mistake a human for a deer"". Thats what they all say that pull the trigger when they shoot someone, swearing what they saw was a deer.
Mental illiness, just sheer depression, overload on the brain etc can change your thought process out of your normal control. Its not bs, it happens quite often, hence why mates take their own life, beat their wifes or murder someone. Its out of their normal behaviour, they SNAP, it happens and does and you not buying it.... maybe you need to re think because you wrong.

I understand what you saying, currantly and maybe where crap has hit the fan theres no way im going to lose it to a point when im going to murder someone or do something i regret but it depends what that crap is and what your state of mind is at the time . Its fine to say shit happens, but i handle it, one day maybe you wont, its quite possible and thats life as the human state isnt totally under your control even thou you think it is. just saying

Originally Posted by deer243

I think you havnt got the point at all. I understand what you saying but saying you dont buy into anyone can snap and can have a tipping point you in dreamland. No one wants to suffer depression , :snap: or do something they regret but it happens everyday to people that have the same opinion as you. 530 plus people take their own life in this country every year, many of they lend a so called normal life and their friends dont know somethings wrong.until its too late.
The human mind can only take so much,whats your tipping point who knows but trust me there will be one . Its just life. The average joe blog doesnt want to murder or kill someone, but some get to a point when shit happens out of their control for a spilt second and the rest is history. Im sure you a very good guy CAM, but you sound like the guy that says "'i never mistake a human for a deer"". Thats what they all say that pull the trigger when they shoot someone, swearing what they saw was a deer.
Mental illiness, just sheer depression, overload on the brain etc can change your thought process out of your normal control. Its not bs, it happens quite often, hence why mates take their own life, beat their wifes or murder someone. Its out of their normal behaviour, they SNAP, it happens and does and you not buying it.... maybe you need to re think because you wrong.

I understand what you saying, currantly and maybe where crap has hit the fan theres no way im going to lose it to a point when im going to murder someone or do something i regret but it depends what that crap is and what your state of mind is at the time . Its fine to say shit happens, but i handle it, one day maybe you wont, its quite possible and thats life as the human state isnt totally under your control even thou you think it is. just saying

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Originally Posted by deer243

Really, doesnt mean that people that do such things use a firearm. Its far more likely a knife, bashing their heads in,run them over with a car etc is far more likely than using a firearm.Disarmament of the country wouldnt do a darm thing. Some snap by taking ones own life, most dont use a firearm. Stress, depression, rage , greive etc all do different things to different people and its unknown how it might effect ones selve.
If you had kids and some person raped and chopped them up into pieces and you ran into them face to face, how you going to react or what would you do? Its all good saying what you might or might not do but until you in that situation you going to have no idea, its life

I will answer this one for @veitnamcam and properly a lot of others with kids. You are correct no firearm would be needed but justice would be served! would I feel better for it........fuck yea!!

Originally Posted by screamO

I will answer this one for @veitnamcam and properly a lot of others with kids. You are correct no firearm would be needed but justice would be served! would I feel better for it........fuck yea!!

opps, maybe I was just answering this one for myself.

As VC said, it has to be in context, I think I could for give death by accident eg; driving etc: but things like rape and shit.......hell have no mercy! Gang shootings shouldn't even get the media attention that they do, we are more likely to get the bunny "massacre" banned.

Once the entire country is disarmed there will be other kinds of weapons. Oldest of all been rocks
Be interesting to know the stats of firearms used for murder as opposed to knives, blunt instruments etc. Self harm by physcological (?sp) bullying

Cops are human and have emotions just like us and are generally of a better persona than the majority out there. We all have our breaking point. Only difference is do we act on impulse or after dwelling (mind fucking) on the situation or do we walk away mentally wounded?

It's not that simple Towely. Until each of us have walked in that man's shoes nobody here can speculate. One man could break down into depression upon finding his wife cheating, one could fly into a rage and kill them both. I don't know how I would react, I've never been there.

"There but for the grace of God go I" as the old saying goes - it could be you or I.

I wonder if the Mental Health Foundation will continue to call for people with existing mental health conditions to be allowed to become police recruits?

Because, according to chief executive Shaun Robinson, those with mental illnesses often dealt with stress better than those without.