Given their track record at trying to shoot dogs it would be pretty safe. :D
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Re: inspections
It seems that a random inspection of security is next to useless unless it is functionally an unwarranted search of the property. Otherwise what do they do? Look in the gunsafe to check there aren't any guns not in there? Useless without knowing what should be in there. And of course registration is a massive headache for everyone involved in so many ways.
I've just had a meeting with the local Waimak National MP about this, he said it's been pretty topical.
I explained that the inquiry had drifted off its mandate & that NZ First seemed to be the only ones who saw it.
I expressed the shooting community's concern at the NZPA & NZ police making secret submissions & Mr Cahills tendency to make up stuff for the media & gave him an example.
We discussed sentencing or the lack of it for gang members caught with or using firearms, I also put forward that if burglars were targeted by the police the firearm thief rate would drop & to make the thief of a firearm an aggravating circumstance during sentencing, i.e you nick a gun & get caught you get 5yrs.
Interestingly he then brought up the cost of locking crims up & those who think we shouldn't be locking criminals up for long periods, etc I told him you can't have if both ways!
We discussed registration, I pointed out it didn't work last time & doubt it will work again, explained Canada's 2billon go at it.
So I've asked him to submit two questions to the Police Minister for me.
1, What % of Police recovered B&E cat firearms are traceable back to there rightfull owners?
2, what % of all recovered firearms are untraceable i.e don't have a serial number still on them?
It will be interesting to see what the answers are?
He agreed that even if the govt took all our firearms the crims would still get hold of them which lead us into discussing why punish us law abiding FAL holders when it won't change jack.
He said that Paula Bennett as Police minister has to report back to the select committee on what she thinks of the report by early July, I'd encourage all of you to email her outlining your concerns even if it's a quick paragraph.
I told him us voters would want to know Nationals policy on this before the election as a lot were worried about them pulling a swifty on it after the election (if they are still in!)
He thanked me for my time & I'm now home having a cuppa tea.
Good work outdoorlad thanks for putting the effort in.
With regards to your questions, I reckon the police response will be "no such data exists".
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In the other hand... criminals are "not allowed" to stay long term in prison but we law abiding citizens "are allowed" to live inside our homes barricade as it is a prison so the criminals don't come inside... yeah, right!
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Police News April 2017
Notice the comment about "military grade sniper rifles that can kill a person a kilometre away"? That's every .30 cal hunting rifle..
They aren't just coming for the 'scary black rifles'..
LoL how blames drugs for societal ills yet firearms are the "issue".
All this political gamesmanship by the union just shows its election year and is reinforcing who I'll be voting for.
Recent shipment smuggled and destined for Australia seized in US, same style can be bought here..... yeah with a lisence and correct endorsement. I really despise misleading story telling on matters like this
Maybe...just maybe ..... if the police put their speed camera's down, got off their arses and caught criminals they would be better off. Maybe if they lobbied the Judges and Politicians about deterrent sentences for firearms crimes they could chill out a bit.
I get a feeling the prick who wrote that thinks he's got a right to rule over us. Fuck him
Doesnt military grade just mean the cheapest crap that the army can get away with?
Firstly not all cars in the country are registered...not even close...... the writer needs to put the glass BBQ away.
Secondly I dont want any military grade crap I want GOOD gear!
Here's your military grade sniper rifle.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...72f23efba7.jpg
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Or... Perhaps more famously:
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Now I am really embarrassing myself but I thought they were Russian.
Thread off track far to much already tho.
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Remington and Westinghouse ( the washing machine people) made them too.
Hahaha! That was fun hey?!?!
Back to that article, that was nothing more then emotive police propaganda. They're obsessed with the disillusion of civilians with anything "military-grade"
Every single firearm on the planet was once or still is military-grade or used by the military. Their argument has no boundaries & is somewhat dangerous.
John Herbert, a representative on the Firearms Community Advisory Forum, had this to say about Polices intent, and its a worry!
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I attended a Firearms Community Advisory Forum meeting yesterday and the purpose was to discuss the Select Committee's report on illegal firearms. The one clear thing to emerge from the meeting is that Police fully support EVERY recommendation.
They realise as we discussed this that quite a few of the report's recommendations would be hard to sell to both the Politicians and the general public but I can assure you Police have a positive spin on every recommendation and there was not one of the recommendations they thought could not help them. They truly believe all this is good, fair and reasonable.
Minister Bennett and other politicians are already starting to see the limitations of many of the recommendations but make no mistake Police will fight for everyone one of them to become law.
We need to raise our profile and our voices and send as much polite but firmly worded correspondence to the Ministers, including the likes of Stuart Nash so that are aware of the potential pitfalls.
Some thoughts:
Costs: If compliance is onerous people will opt out and this will create grey guns that eventually end up in the wrong hands.The budget to get much of this over the line is high and Police will look to claw it back off us.
Trust: NZ Firearms owners have low levels of trust for the Police and this again will impact compliance if the terms of compliance are too overbearing. As a Nation we value trust, transparency and integrity. The way Police have manage firearms over the last decade or so demonstrates none of these core attributes.
The report was about stopping Gangs and by default criminals getting guns, ask politicians how this will actually work in the real world, the Police were light on answers regarding many of the points so there is obviously still room for the TRUTH to actually get a fair hearing.
Many of the recommendations have a tenuous at best connection to the goal of the keeping firearms out of criminals hands. Remind the Politicians of this with as many examples as you can. The Police anwers are broad and undefined make yours specific and targeted.
Find 3 friends who have not sent a letter/email to a minister and ask for their support.
John Herbert
New Zealand Service Rifle Association.
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Above copied from FOUNZ facebook page.
article makes me bloody laugh -methamphetamine -oh thats a fact but hey mr men in blue youe political masters are looking at legalising cannabis to buy the popular vote fuck me wont that make the road toll hilarious-road toll-yesssir your easy revenue earner.
oh and heres another wee conundrum-it seems NZpolice HQ are incapable of managing existing firearms laws and now want extra bought in -that dont float for a moment.Justice Jillian mallon has already given the police a right royal boot in the arse in the freestanding pistol grip case,and now they want mummy government to fix it.
also dont forget hansard has it on record these MP clowns debating firearms calling them Rambo guns etc etc-FFs these are meant to be intelligent people and most have a coterie of trough snufflers who should be put to work doing intelligent research on the issue before "yes minister"opens fat gob in the chamber!!
criminals are criminals and most of the major players couldnt give flying fuck about what society in general thinks of them.theyre init for the money&kudos and bugger any poor bastard who suffers as a result of their endeavours.all this bullshit about cost is beancounters&legal gougers speaking out their arses!!
IF YOU POLIS GAVE JUDGES FREE REINAND ENCOURAGED EM TI HIT HARD IN SENTENCING IT MAY WELL SHOW SOME DETERRENT.
I like to thank the judge here in CHCH whose just sent a 16yrold to the big mens house for a stretch.robbery with weapons son is a bloody serious issue!
aw but i fought id go to youf court and get a slap on da wrist-aw shit dis aint fair mammmmmmmmmmmmyyyhyyyyyyyy!!!!
It serves you bloody right and while your in there crapping yourself have thinkabout what youlldo when you get out!!!
Still havn't read the link? Punctuation | English Grammar Guide | EF
I hope you don't write clinical reports the way you write your posts on here.
More dodgy reporting, Cahills firearm recommendations randomly tacked on the end of an article
Thousands of weapons intercepted at NZ borders as illegal imports rise | Stuff.co.nz
This seems like lazy reporting to me, he wasnt going to meet his word count so chucked in that last (one sided) bit as an easy fix.
go look up tosser mate and insert yourself right there ignoramus .
In my late mothers terms 'oh dear still got the shit on your liver".
My clinical report on you ;
This specimen is living proof that the act of sexual procreation is vastly overrated,and modern DNA even at its finest ,does show remarkable shortcomings"
Whats ya job mate standin for sadsack or a test cadaver for embalmers?
pit Westinghouse &Remington didnt make arseholes -you'd have got the role as the perfect template!!!!