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    Certification of a private range

    Many on here know that several years ago I hung up some targets in a disused part of my property so that my daughter could practice her lever action skills for CAS. In the beginning it looked like this:
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    The range then became a labour of love for me and I built a covered in shed for her to shoot from and after much blood sweat and tears it looked like this:
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    That was up until the end of August when a major weather event caused the hillside to come sliding into the range. I am now almost finished clearing out the slip and completing a major retaining wall project having made the range a little wider in the process. I will post updated photos when the job is done.

    So now to the purpose of this thread. Even though this is very much a private use range, with the recent legislative changes I am inclined to have it Police certified but I canít for the life of me find anything useful on the Police website by way of an application form so am a bit befuddled as to the process.

    Does anyone on here know:
    1. The clauses in the legislation that are relative to range certification?
    2. Whether there is a Police form relative to application for certification and if so what the form number is?
    3. In the absence of a Police form, what process I should follow?

    Any assistance given would be greatly appreciated.
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    @Beaker, it just occurred to me that you have done this for a public range down the other island. Can you cast any wisdom my way?
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
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    And what a bloody nice range it is too. The power of Waikato is obvious for all to see!
    I must come do another preliminary range inspection some time mate!
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    Watching with interest Rushy.
    Are you looking at B cat?
    There have been some recent developments which are going to make it hard for some to retain their B endorsement.
    Overkill is still dead.

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    We did one a couple of years back and used Mike spray from mountain saftey.
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    I would recommend contacting pistol NZ.

    It took about a year, but I managed to get the first ever "natural typography" pistol range through certification about 15 years ago, on private land. We had 4 ranges including a 500m long jungle alley, with no requirement for structures.
    At the time, PNZ was the only recognised certifiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mm View Post
    And what a bloody nice range it is too. The power of Waikato is obvious for all to see!
    I must come do another preliminary range inspection some time mate!
    You would be welcome mate. Give it a couple more weeks and I will be finished I reckon.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7mmwsm View Post
    Watching with interest Rushy.
    Are you looking at B cat?
    There have been some recent developments which are going to make it hard for some to retain their B endorsement.
    I haven’t considered the use of B endorsed firearms but you are correct insomuch that Covid lockdown has knocked our club which typically only has 26 opportunities per year. Where I have positioned this it is as safe as and the resident range officer is a grumpy old bastard.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
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    Before doing anything official assess it yourself. Using Google Earth measure distances to the nearest dwellings 30 degrees either side of the range centre line. Look at the backstop and see what topography may assist ie a hill or in a gully. Consider 35 degrees elevation as the max muzzle elevation and can anything get away and what's to stop it down range.
    With reactive targets are they mounted so as to deflect bullet fragments down.
    Common sense says you've done this already and if you decide to or are compelled to register then having data in hand must surely be a plus.

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    @Rushy, I'll be able to help you, or at least put you into contact with the right person in your area - been involved in workshops with the police re certification training for a while now.

    The whole process is still a bit up in the air.

    Will call you tonight, heading out the door shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebf View Post
    @Rushy, I'll be able to help you, or at least put you into contact with the right person in your area - been involved in workshops with the police re certification training for a while now.

    The whole process is still a bit up in the air.

    Will call you tonight, heading out the door shortly.
    Thanks
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
    Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimms2 View Post
    specs here
    And thanks to you as well.
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
    Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

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    So some of your comments have got me thinking ahead so I have done some measuring on google maps. This is the down range view over the roof of the shed I built.
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    The nearest dwelling directly down range is 835 metres away on the other side of the hill which at the peak directly down range is at least 80 metres vertical elevation higher than the shed roof. The nearest dwelling inside 30 degrees to the right of down range is 558 metres away on the other side of the hill with the ridge line over 100 metres vertical elevation higher than the roof of the shed. The nearest dwelling inside of 30 degrees to the left of down range is one kilometre away on the other side of the hill with the ridge line over 100 metres vertical elevation higher than the roof of the shed.

    The most common calibres used on the range would be .22LR and 12g. As my daughter is now in the Army, 38 special (which is what she uses in her lever action) is seldom used down there now.
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
    Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser308 View Post
    I repeat the question, is this just something you and invited friends use and it's not open to anyone else - as while your measurements are a start you are possibly going to have to go as far as consent etc under the new rules if I read things correctly. Ballache, heartache, butthurting headache plus sore things you didn't know you had.
    In every way shape and form it is a private range for the use of myself, my family and infrequently some people that a friends and acquaintances but only ever with me present.
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    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
    Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser308 View Post
    If you can get hold of the draft requirements for the new world order, it will give you the new headings that apparently all range certification, manuals and standing orders documents will need to be set out with going forwards. There seems to be a lot of looking over one's shoulder at the neighbours setups now wondering how they are doing it and if what they are doing is going to comply - I don't for one minute envy the guys managing public ranges going forwards. One thing that a couple of clubs have mentioned doing is setting up a standalone discretionary 'range maintenance' budget to give action to the range maintenance plan, which is in itself a requirement of the new manual and system.

    It would seem to me that the Police have been casting an eye over Maritime NZ with the commercial vessel safety managment systems and the CAA with the Part approvals to operate for aviation companies and commerically used aircraft. As I said, I just can't understand the requirements for the changes, and I don't see where 'private' ranges can be certed under the new system. I would love to be wrong, but it would seem like the nut is being smashed by a piling hammer slung under the boom of a crawler crane.
    I suspect the new requirements,along with some of the other new restrictions and regulations being passed,are in place in other parts of the world and have been 'imported' into NZ to be imposed on us as well.
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