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Just out of interest, can someone enlighten me to why I pay a Colfo sub & what sort of return I'm getting especially over the whole FA reform of the last few months ?
To me the licensed, sensible & responsible firearms owners of NZ need a decent voice that is media & PA savvy, something we seem to be sadly lacking in my opinion at the moment.
what do you suggest?
@Philipo. Havent you been paying attention mate. COLFO have been doing a brilliant job representing us.
Your post summarises well what most feel about the past five months: frustration, biting our tongues, and is it really helping? Fair question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipo
We're not going to get our old firearms laws back, no matter who represents us, that is not meant as an excuse, just reality, better just make peace with that.
COLFO is now continuously putting press releases and good information out there to press and politicians, it is all sensible stuff, and if it does not get through nothing will. No accident that more journalists are finally doing their job to challenge the official narrative. And not surprising that Hera Cook and Co are now attacking COLFO's credibility - questioning if gun owners really are as angry as COLFO claims they are. An organisation representing 40,000 members (and potentially 250,000) is big in NZ terms and the gentle giant has now stood up and cranks its relentless and accurate information machine which is picking up speed.
The chickens WILL come home to roost.
"When you're taking flak, it means you're over the target".
As Cordite said; if COLFO were to be easily ignored, they would be being ignored. Clearly their moderate and reasonable approach is increasingly worrying the guncontrollers.
I've donated to COLFO before the present collection of reeking turds hit the rotational air impeller, and more since, because they are, again IMO, our best hope for a unifying, 'umbrella' approach that can help all LFAOs.
I do not think they can succeed* because the last few months have taught us (well, those of us who did not already believe it) that as long as some 'other' gun owner is more directly affected, vilified and disadvantaged, the "I'm happy that they're not coming for me" sector keeps a low profile and their hands out of their pockets.
As The Only Great Winston (Churchill) said:
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* Which is absolutely no reason not to try. Plus, "the horse may learn to sing". Plus, I've been wrong on yeah many occasions :-)
I think that the COLFO Fair and Reasonable campaign is as good an initiative as any in response to what has happened. Philipo your continued support is important. They are now getting financial support from corners that were previously not very supportive and that momentum is increasing their ability to act in our interests.
I agree with Cordite that there will not be a return to the way it was but I am optimistic about the prospect of some degree of good sense walk back.
They are indeed doing a lot.
I think we do need another front though. there is a storm brewing.....
I agree, another big-hitter to compliment COLFLO is definitely needed to help divide and conquer. Federated Farmers and NZDA are two obvious starters but there are others.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
Seems to me there's FARKALL unity and agreement amongst LFAO's ? We're doomed right there, hence the law makers will just be telling us whats gonna happen. No 'democracy', no choice .... as per normal throuhout our kiwi history. No surprises.
Even if we all gave COLFO $100 each, would it change any outcomes for us ?
And this is the reason whyQuote:
Originally Posted by LRP
Send lawyers, guns and money eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by muzza
Pay my lawyer, he wanted a third yacht for this season.
https://images.wsj.net/im-80711/MQuote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
Yes, poor bastards, every 7.5 million of them, men, women, children, and of course the odd binary undecided.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms
I'd be shit scared of any extradition to Chinese judicial state serving system. Not a "justice system" and charges can be made up in the typing pool, possibly involving a competition for a pack of cigarettes.
Especially as I have a rare-ish tissue type.
I don’t know but in my books it’s worth trying, if you don’t you’ll be forever wondering...Quote:
Originally Posted by LRP
Do reports of gun owners’ anger stack up? https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/progr...anger-stack-up
Doesn't help when the media decide to back up the findings of that lefty 'academic' outfit either yet they fail to take action or report when gun control nz use unfounded information, blatent lies and skewed statistics to further their own goals, justify salary and otherwise drain the acedmic system of cash fornthere own goals.
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They are trying desperately to discredit COLFO. Suddenly feign concern that lawful firearms owners are misrepresented. What!?! I did not hear #Hera Cook and #Marie Russel protesting over the rushed sham select committee 3-months-into-a-weekend undemocratic "consultation" earlier this year. No doubt COLFO listens to more shooters than Cook/Russell ever did.Quote:
Originally Posted by aetchell
I tried in vein to engage with Hera Cook and her lot a few months ago. I asked hard questions and they just dismissed them, I offered to take them on a hunt or to a range too. I also tried to call them out on the discriminatory rhetoric they use on that half baked shitty little website they managed to cobble together. I found it interesting how they moderated comments on all the facebook posts too. pretty much zero posts ended up being visible. They blamed it on trolls but I think a lot of it was actually license holders asking sensible or hard to answer questions. The lack of supporting comments from the pro-gun control group spoke volumes about the impact Hera Crook and here lefty goblins have actually garnered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
There was an interesting podcast on National radio last night where Hera Cook was prattling on over COLFo's lack of ability to confirm the true numbers of the people they represent. It was not a completely 50/50 balanced article but I came away and thought that COLFO were starting to rattle their cages as the issues they were trying to embarrass COLFO over were not the real argument at hand.. Even National Radio which is supposed to be for the people had a left leaning bias towards the radicals.
Nevertheless the whole presentation left me with a firm position that we need to continue our support of COLFO and for us to unite as one voice.
Whats that march about?Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms
Wish we could do that here...
Colfo are doing a good job with what resources they have.
They are volunteers sacrificing their own time taking on Government, Police Union, tax paid University Lecturers and the generally crooked media.
I pay numerous Colfo fees through a number of organizations and if you look at their budget you can't expect magic.
I think they are doing a good job they just arent in the media constantly trying to prove what fukwits they can be like their opposition they are quietly chipping away as they know they have limited funds and will only get one crack at it so need to get it right
IMO COLFO's 'fair and reasonable'-titled strategy is just about the pitch-perfect way to counterattack the unfair and unreasonable.
A copy of my submission to the Royal Enquiry - a bit long for here but it is what it is.
We need to make sure the knowledge and experience about acquiring firearms and firearm rules are presented by responsible firearms owners. The massacre in Christchurch should not have happened but it did. The laws of our land that existed at the time were sufficient to prevent this but I believe the Police were underfunded to properly apply the law of our land as it existed without the need to have knee jerk reactions to this heinous crime.
Proposals to alter the Firearm laws will impose great restrictions on the law-abiding people of NZ. The statistics from the Police show that the vast majority of firearm related crimes are not committed by the correctly licensed people but by criminals or people with a criminal intent. Proposals suggested will impact on the honest people and not those who are creating the problems. When will Politicians listen to its people and understand that everyone rejects the actions of the perpetrator of the Christchurch shootings and yes we should have laws that prevent such occurrences. Yet we need to ensure that it is those who have the criminal intent that are penalised. To date I have not read of any such measures - all we here is how the Government plans to tighten up on those already taking their legal responsibilities seriously.
In our society and democracy, we abide by a genuine set of values and conditions and pay a penalty if we do not live up to those. Yet here we have a series of people trying to impose their lifestyle on me and not respecting my privilege to hold and use a firearm. I have not broken any laws - I have abided by all my license requirements and yet I will pay a price for the actions of the selfish few. In all this rhetoric has anyone explained or proposed a way to get all the illegal guns out of the criminal underworld? The answer is No. Why don't we focus on the people who are holding firearms illegally and remove them and the illegal firearms from society and at the same time support the good efforts of those who have committed to the correct process of firearm licensing and ownership. It does not make any sense to penalise the good majority to try to influence the less desirables. It does not work!
I also believe that if the Police were resourced more competently, they would be able to enforce the existing laws more effectively and possibly have avoided the Christchurch shootings. I know the process I have gone through on two separate occasions in obtaining my firearms license and in all cases the checking process was thorough and I did not mind the imposition. It was a privilege that I respected and now enjoy and protect this opportunity. I cannot call it a right here in NZ yet why should the majority of us suffer because of the actions of a few yet pay the penalty for their errors instead of the impositions being placed on them. We are approaching this back to front.
I see an upswing in support from the urban population to all this and that worries me. People in urban centres are removed from the realities of rural life or of those who enjoy the sport of rifle range shooting. Unless people correctly understand the implication over what they are talking about then a balanced approach must be achieved. This government needs to make sure that this balance is achieved and that those who have had little to no involvement with firearms do not dictate the direction we head as a nation. I am not restricting their right to express their concerns just as I am entitled to express mine however decisions by any government need to balance the good will of all its people in a serious, well considered and represented matters of fact. Rushed bad legislation is not what is required here.
Yes, why are we not allowed to retain some optimism? If my COLFO donations help put the brakes on, that is fine, if the waggon moves a bit backwards... ecstasy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
The are anti vaxers. Everything they push furthers their confirmation bias towards firearms. as said above, they will not answer any questions on their FB page as that leads them into debate, and their not up for that as its to difficult for them. Unfortunately the media love them, as can be seen by the coverage they get. They have been visiting parliament and pushing their agenda onto MP's. They are now applying to charities for funding to allow them to mount a campaign against us. Below is what they are up to at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by aetchell
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So not only are we fighting govt on the current gun issues, but these fuckwits are wanting to remove what little we are going to have left. This is why we all need to get behind COLFO, this will be our last roll of the dice.
its over in hong kong i think signs in chinese and some say "no extradition"Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
Bunch of dangerous Wally’s
I think not talking to the media is not a good idea. She should have come forward with the number of members.
Our even issued a statement on the number of annoyed firearms owners.
No comments is not a great look. I would have said hold on one second while I get out the register it would have shut up them two fools in Otago.
But then again maybe there frying bigger fish...and this isn’t in there mission statement.
My general impression is that Colfo's doing a lot of work and fighting the battle on behalf of a lot of people that are either to cheap/lazy to do something, or are completely ignorant of what's going on. Pretty constant stream of email updates coming out of Colfo and associates on their activities when they can be open about what they're doing. Given the kind of shoe string budget and limited active numbers they're working with they're doing a fantastic job.
If we want to see more action I think it's going to take visible, physical action from the firearms community at large. Have only seen one person actually protesting a confiscation event and he was a young guy who had less to lose than most. I suspect many aren't bothered to actually write and send mail to their MP's, even though it's free. If we don't write letters to our MP's, show up at meet and greet events to let them know we're part of their constituency, volunteer with Colfo, what do we really expect to happen? I'm guilty of it myself, I've got letters typed up to print and sign and I haven't done it yet. Keep meaning to send money to Colfo with each paycheque and haven't. Posting it on here holds me a bit accountable I guess :P
The Colfo representatives aren't professional politicians or lobbyists, so they aren't going to seem as smooth and maneuverable as the people we're used to seeing on TV speaking about issues. I guess if anyone knows a good quality advertising and marketing company that's pro hunting/shooting they could really help Colfo with their image and message? Fact is the firearms community has the high ground when it comes to facts and logic, we just aren't used to putting ourselves forward like the anti-gun drama queens that live for the lime-light.
Anyone here willing to donate to a DDOS service ("hack") to take down their webserver?Quote:
Originally Posted by Percy Jones
Aother company to boycott, or send strongly worded emails to, that site was registered through "iwantmyname"
https://iwantmyname.com/about
Ive approached my local MP and so have many others here in the Hunua electorate. Instead of getting a one on one meeting it seems our MP has several people wanting to talk to him over this issue. I'm waiting to see if there is going to be a group meeting to voice our concerns. Seems the ground swell out this way has resulted in his electoral office having to take a different approach to meeting his constituents. All I can add is - Watch this space! It seems we are getting some cohesion albeit on a small scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by canross
There was a meeting like this in Nelson with Damien O'Conner where every one turned up on time except for him who had a flunky cancel the meeting when everyone was waiting for him to arrive. (I may be wrong here but that's what I have been led to believe)Quote:
Originally Posted by 35desoto
Are you one of the nutters from Gun Control NZ posing as a licensed gun owner, here to discredit us??? If not, have some more fresh air, the weekend is upon us soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms
But you're sure going to slander him anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
Eh. No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
No, not at all. They're banging on about likes and shares, this is the age we live in. If all their likes and shares point to a dead link then it's one less platform they can spew their propaganda on.
Better, would be to lean on the registrants to redirect their website to COLFO or something. "For the lulz" as the kids say.
True story......second time he canceled too...nice one...was great fun getting into town for 8.30 am meeting...Nek minit.....Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
At least Nick Smith turned up listened & learnt....
I talked to David Seymour in the weekend, top bloke :thumbsup:
So it appears i was right..... but then i knew i was just wanting to appear polite 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms
@mikee O'Connor is a waste of space. I haven't been on the coast for quite a while but I still cant understand how he keeps getting back in.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
he certainly does nothing good for most of the region but somehow he still does it. Cant be old school mining communities as labour does feckall for them now they are with the greens. I would also imaging all the old school labour for life supporters are getting thin on the ground.
Havent had a staunch coast representative for labour for many many years
