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A test without mercy. One shot, the deviation from absolute centre defined as MOA (MIL would be preferable as you see it through the scope) and not "...pretty close" or whatever. Most shooters find that they need a target size 1-2 MOA (0,3 to 0,5 MIL) in order to hit it reliably under most conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BZK0wzMW10
Its the only true way to measure. No point having tiny groups that don't hit the target eh
Thanks once again for the awesome video. It helps to watch that to remember its not all about group size!
Man blog 74! Top work on that many
Thanks!
Yes, one shot placement is what matters for us hunters. I'll be campaigning that for a few months and see what response/ awareness that'll bring.
Frankly, Im a little tired of the internet's obsession with "0.5 moa rifles"
yeerp
I think we confuse the terminology..
An accurate rifle ....... vs an accurate rifleman...
You can have the first without the second, and you can have the second with some variation on the first...
Personally I like an accurate rifle... and then I only have to worry about the idiot pulling the trigger..
Hard to hit a 1-2moa plate with a rifle that will only shoot 3moa tho.
How else should one quantify a rifles ability to put a number of shots in the same place?
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Too much focus is on bragging about your rifle shooting .273 moa 3 shot groups and not enough on "I can hit a practical sized target with it consistently". Obviously a degree of precision is required but there's "enough" and then there's "internet group syndrome"
Unless you have a complete lemon, I find its more the me factor that lets the side down,
All my guns are very accurate.....sometimes I'm very average and precision goes all over the show.
Norway
Can I ask if those shots you filmed were the first shots out of that rifle that day ?
Were they from a fouled barrel or from a squeaky clean one ?
Ken
PS - I really enjoy your Blogs , keep them coming :thumbsup:
No matter how good a hunting rifle is I can't see how it can make a steel plate taste better than a deer.
Agree, nothing better than venny in the freezer, but plenty of practice means there's a lot higher chance of that deer making the freezer;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
I hunt most weekends for meat to feed the family and friends all the practice gives me the confidence in any conditions to put the pill in the right spot which is what its all about.
I crack up at people that harp on about things like "7mm08 is better than .308 cuz it shoot's flatter" then they run shitty soft point factory ammo that totally negates that statement in the real world. And they wank about getting sub moa groups when they never shoot anything past 100yds.
This is why I love service rifle shooting - it gives you a very practical demonstration in what basic rifles are capable of on real world size targets
What targets do they use?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Figure 12 generally. The 5 ring roughly represents the size of the vital zone on a deer https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=go...tm%3B420%3B525
Actually that target is different, doesn't have a V bull.
Actually the rifle was unusually clean this time, usually I just keep it "clean enough", but I tried a new solvent/ copper remover that was a tad more effective than I'm used to. After the the "sit time" I'm used to with the borefoam, it was downright shiny using this solvent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ground Control
True, but I'm all for clean kills and making use of my opportunities to shoot deer. Hunting time is my most valuable and difficult to get time, so I'll not have it hampered by poor preparations. Where I hunt, I need on an average two deer a day for the foresters to stay happy with me and I'm not able to do that without range time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Depending on how far your shooting. Statistically a .5moa .308 usingna 175gr smk at 2600 fps will hit a 10" target 92% of the time at 700. A 1moa rifle 83% 1.5moa 67%. This is in a high confidence situation.
Thanks Bryan Litz.
Thats the required precision part taken care of. Now its down to the shooters ability to prdocue those results in different settings and read environmental factos to increase confidence in situations they are faced with.
On reading this book.it highlights just how diminishing the gains in adding velocity are in real world shooting (another debate)
So what calibre and projectile are you now using for Deer ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
Ken
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
If shooting isn't your thing, perhaps the shooting section isn't for you.
I started with a 308 but havent used that for 18 yrs. The 6,5 mm works superb for the small deer I shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ground Control
I'vd tried 6mm, but dont like the lesser blood trail if I need to track it.
I'd like to try 7-08, 280 or 7mmRM but its kinda daft to pay 2x bullet price over 6, 5mm here. A magnum really makes a difference in terminal perfofmance at range, but it also less forgiving to errors in the shooting positions. For hunting the shooting position is often flawed, so I stay away from recoil and seems to stay away from poorly shot zeer.
I bought 1000 new 6.5x284 brass as I can get good 6.5x55 performance in a short barrel. This is what i use for hunting.
I also have 600 rds ox 6XC I'm keen to try, but curfently I have no barrel chambered.
How many rounds do you expect the 6.5 x 284 barrel will be good for , and how short is it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
Ken
20" and I have honestly lost count. It is right around 2000 now, and judging from friends experience they die somewhere 2500-3000 shots. By "die" I mean precision over 3/4 MOA.
Hi Norway, what make is your barrel? That sounds like you're getting very good barrel life from it, as I know guys here in NZ who only got half that amount of shots before they had to step it back, then they only got another 400-600 out of it and it was toast.
kj
Blaser.
And I dont run hot loads.
Let me guess: Button rifled barrels?
From what Im told, hard to beat hammer forged for longevity.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway