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What? Its how I met Abe and Adam, they swear they are not gay but:D
I said I would show him a few local places when he is nxt having a chew on his pudding. I'll sucker him into lifting all the heavy stuff to help us move while I make out like I am doing something else. I hear he is a big boy and good at lifting things:thumbsup: I ll then send him up the Styx for a look, its not that popular of a spot eh?
You look reasonably fit in that photo Adam. Was it after ya guts almost fell out when you were crook or before?
Two weeks after you popped into mine that night
That doesnt read too good bro. It should say 2 weeks after I called round your place, too grace you with my presence! It otherwise reads like I popped into something else:D
Anyway, we should stay on Red Bangs topic. I am terrible for wandering. I still reckon its action/barrel movement but it is not bad.
I possivly agree isnt savages barrels held on via a barrel nut? That combination not under correct tension could lead to slight movement....
Curious... Same here, including the type of dies I own. Used moly in various cals since it first came on the scene. Never had an issue with neck tension. Now only use it in a 6.5 Ackley F Class gun and with that I run almost no neck tension and soft seat with 8thou (initial) engagement into rifling.
For what your doing I reckon moly is fine. If your out and about and coat hunting pills it was a pain in the ass whenever moisture was present....(all the time).
HBN takes all that hassle away. Reduces ES and no where near as messy. Definitely not as slippery as moly but.
Kiwi Greg put me onto it ages ago. He has been using it longer and may have more light to shed on it than I.
I just know it is good stuff and I have never had a visable trace of coppering since using it in quality barrels.
Dont even get a patch come out coated in anything but carbon.
Yep any moisture anywhere + moly = corrosion :omg: :XD: :pissed off:
I don't know how much good HBN does, I have been using it for years, after hurting barrels with Moly.
I clean bugger all & once the rifle has settled down basically no copper fouling is evident even after 100-200+ rounds depending on calibre.
I don't really notice any carbon build up, although I don't have a bore scope yet, but don't know if I want one........
I have noticed that I have quite a few rifles now with silly single digit ES (more often that not), especially with mucking around with neck tension.
I haven't read or seen anything bad about HBN so I will keep coating all the pills for my own rifles, I'm careful not to use coated pills for customers rifles.
I haven't done enough testing yet to see how much difference it makes yet but will grab a nice consistent rifle & load to try with & without HBN.
This is all off topic but here goes -
I am still not sure of the merits of coating although in the case of HBN the great David Tubb cannot be wrong (can he??..??).
I toyed with the idea of changing to Danzac when it came along and ditto for HBN but basically when my 6.5 is eventually toast I will cease using coated projectiles altogether.
I am firing non coated in other target rifles and not having Cu problems.
The reason I went into moly with the 6.5 Ackley was more to test the point that the cartridge would have a barrel life exceeding the 6.5/284's . So I use moly (which won't stop throat erosion I guess) and Win 760 powder because of its lower flame temperature.
I have had no problems to speak of, wet or dry.
Adam likes to tutu.:P
I dunked some rounds in the river, shook briefly and fired groups consistent enough to my MPI with my .223 and 6.5-06. This was after he told me he had experienced this. He must have got shrimp guts or something else on them.:D
Hunted in the rain for 3 days first .. poi change of 2" at 100m with or without.... 200 rounds with an no fouling.. Good stuff but also bad stuff... I hbn my range warriors and stay naked on my hunting stuff now... Much more consistant.... Single digit freaky es with hbn is tge norm tho....
Iam
There's a present for you on your safe...
Any developments on your issue Red?
Going to take it apart tomorrow and check recoil lug thingy and give it the once over for any shiny marks anywhere.
I did get a half turn on the front rail mount and 1/4 on the rear, but just put that down to settling in with everything being new. Don't think it would have caused the problem.
The Norma cases are coming up to x3 reloads with no issues as yet, which is pleasing, and haven't had any pressure signs either. The speeds for my loads are consistent with internet data. So, considering all things it's looking like a mechanical problem right enough, as has been pointed out.
I'll be paying closer attention to body position, and swap shooters to see where the problem emerges or goes away.
If it's still there at the next shoot it'll be a bedding job.
Thanks for the interest folks, I'll keep ya posted. . . . :)
Came home early from hunt due to snow so could pop over if you feel like a range day
Ok, some interesting results today with Horihunters help. Groups were shot in the order of the circled numbers.
Hori is a leftie, so bear in mind for his groups the rifle was moved to a totally different position.
Attachment 4056
Attachment 4057
Then at home when the rifle was dismantled found this. . . .
Attachment 4058
Attachment 4059
So, you can see the fluting marks on the lower part of the barrel channel, and the rubbing on the side about 5" long. The marks are more apparent on the channel than the barrel, as you can see only a light mark on the barrel.
Next question is, is this enough evidence to cause problems ?
Looks like you've found the problem
Good grouping Hori on the 2nd photo
Definitely not helping. Id say you will be sweet when removed.
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Well, thought all my troubles were over after the channel discoveries, but oooohhhh no, just beginning !
Loaded up and ready to go, fired first 2 shots, went where I expected them, first high(cold barrel etc. ) next through the centre of the bull Wahooo !
Next 3 all over the clock out to 4+" (100m), WTF !
Ah well must have been me, too quick too keen :oh noes:
Try at 200m, well f#*k me, over 8" all over the place, bollox. . . . . . pack up go home, contemplate taking up full contact tiddly winks. . . .
Next morn pick up rifle, scope and rail nearly fall off :wtfsmilie: :pissed off:
Off to Gunworks tomorrow for rectification.
The shooting Gods are obviously pissed off with me :(
It's a Savage right ? This is the second
time I've heard of this happening? First time was at a F Class shoot.
I'd be getting out the epoxy as well as the allen keys.
I hope you get it sorted.
RUNAS
Looks like it was Loctited on instead of epoxy, so new good quality rail ordered and going on properly. Also one of KG's Terminator T3's on it's way.
Looking fwd to the next round of the saga :D
As am I....Haha
Haha asked for that
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Well finally got the beast back, nice new rail and shiny( matte actually) new Terminator T3 brake on it. Took it for an outing yesdy, got it on paper and got good hits at 680 and 995yds. Well satisfied as it was a blustery windy day. The brake is bloody effective, it's taken the sharpness of the recoil right out and is now just a big push, sight picture is picked back up real quick. Makes it even more fun to use ! :thumbsup:
Have to run some groups at 100 next weekend, to confirm some loads and speeds. Pain in the arse now with the handloaders out of action, have to go further afield now.
Will be checking scope rail and mounts a bit more regularly now, don't want to embarrass meself again !