Thread: How to calculate shooting angle?

Originally Posted by stagstalker

I guess you still just write letters instead of emails because it just works too?

Emails? What are they? When did they come into use? Seriously, I'm of a generation that is bemused by a younger generation that relies on technology rather than skill developed from experience and trial, and/or improvisation. I took a young staff member out into the hills to effect repairs on a bridge. I told her to work out what tools we'd need, and instructed her to collect them. She picked up a cordless drill and a spare battery, along with other bits and pieces, and off we went. We got to the site where the bridge needed 14 holes drilled in it to attach a kick rail. She discovered the drill battery was flat (hadn't checked); then found the spare battery was flat (hadn't checked). She asked "What now? Do we walk back 2 hours to charge the batteries?" My answer was to pull out a brace and bit set and told her this was the original cordless drill, whose battery never ran flat, and was always dependable. She started on the 14 holes.

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Emails? What are they? When did they come into use? Seriously, I'm of a generation that is bemused by a younger generation that relies on technology rather than skill developed from experience and trial, and/or improvisation. I took a young staff member out into the hills to effect repairs on a bridge. I told her to work out what tools we'd need, and instructed her to collect them. She picked up a cordless drill and a spare battery, along with other bits and pieces, and off we went. We got to the site where the bridge needed 14 holes drilled in it to attach a kick rail. She discovered the drill battery was flat (hadn't checked); then found the spare battery was flat (hadn't checked). She asked "What now? Do we walk back 2 hours to charge the batteries?" My answer was to pull out a brace and bit set and told her this was the original cordless drill, whose battery never ran flat, and was always dependable. She started on the 14 holes.

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again.. (keyboard warrior doh). Your stand point is moot, when you were the young generation the exact same would have been said by the older generation before you with your flash brace and bit set.. because "back in my day" we had to use or do XYZ instead.. its just a stupid argument. I bet the same "back in my day" came out of the cupboard when scopes first got put on rifles. You taught that young staff member something, success - learning - not their fault they don't know what an old outdated brace and bit set is.. its 2023.

I grew up using max point blank range and aim low with angle etc all taught by my father. As I have grown I have learnt new skills and developed methods to become more efficient and more accurate with the development of technology. It didn't just happen overnight, it has taken years to understand all the different things and learn the processes, inputs, calculations, why they matter, how to fault find etc and every day there is something new to learn. All done through learning in order to get experience in order to develop the skill... If it didn't take any skill or experience then the OP wouldn't be trying to learn right now? They are obviously just on that learning journey and looking for help to develop their skills and knowledge. How is that so wrong? I applaud them for bettering themselves and moving forward. After this they will have acquired some more experience.

These days I am aiming for a specific spot with my projectile at all ranges. Back using max point blank range and aim low it was a matter of just trying to connect with the big bit. My father taught me to hunt and shoot but these days I have plenty of things that I can teach him.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again.. (keyboard warrior doh). Your stand point is moot, when you were the young generation the exact same would have been said by the older generation before you with your flash brace and bit set.. because "back in my day" we had to use or do XYZ instead.. its just a stupid argument. I bet the same "back in my day" came out of the cupboard when scopes first got put on rifles. You taught that young staff member something, success - learning - not their fault they don't know what an old outdated brace and bit set is.. its 2023.

I grew up using max point blank range and aim low with angle etc all taught by my father. As I have grown I have learnt new skills and developed methods to become more efficient and more accurate with the development of technology. It didn't just happen overnight, it has taken years to understand all the different things and learn the processes, inputs, calculations, why they matter, how to fault find etc and every day there is something new to learn. All done through learning in order to get experience in order to develop the skill... If it didn't take any skill or experience then the OP wouldn't be trying to learn right now? They are obviously just on that learning journey and looking for help to develop their skills and knowledge. How is that so wrong? I applaud them for bettering themselves and moving forward. After this they will have acquired some more experience.

These days I am aiming for a specific spot with my projectile at all ranges. Back using max point blank range and aim low it was a matter of just trying to connect with the big bit. My father taught me to hunt and shoot but these days I have plenty of things that I can teach him.

Whew, that was a lengthy telling off! You may have missed my point, which was that if you rely on technology, and not understand or be aware of alternatives, you may have problems when the technology fails (flat batteries, e.g.). I was sometimes called on to "rescue" young staff whose GPS had failed, and were stuck in thick bush with not a clue of how to extricate themselves. So I taught them basic map and compass skills, as a backup. They all thanked me. The female staff member in my example always carried a brace and bit along with the cordless drill after that incident. I feel there was a good result there.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again..

These days I am aiming for a specific spot with my projectile at all ranges. Back using max point blank range and aim low it was a matter of just trying to connect with the big bit. My father taught me to hunt and shoot but these days I have plenty of things that I can teach him.

now listen here young whipper snapper
some of us still use a point blank range and rather than just shooting for the big bit..the specific spot as it were is actually just a area about the size of a basketball..that 8" circle....
your mans brace n bit story has LOTS of relevance...... indeed a flat battery OR as in the OPs case a modern gear failure or posibly a eye dee ten tee operator error (write that numerically) being able to revert to a more simple way of doing stuff has much merit
again I ask..at that range with a super lazer beam prc 6.5 why was any calculation needed??? looking at simple drop chart would suggest a very small drop out of that 8" circle so only small elevation/kentucky windage required........ that need to take quickly shot would demand this...
this past weekend I was away with group using both map n compass and gps and cellphones..... great to be ABLE to use both...
Im well aware your a bloody good shot and will be able to teach your younguns how to do the same.... possibly also teaching a fall back method isnt a silly idea too.
and what the heck is this aiming low bit all about???? if my projectile never goes more than 3.5" above my Xhair..at what stage would I need to aim low????175ish on steep slope perhaps.... but my Xhairs would still be in the bit I want to hit,just posibly low inside it LOLstill on specific spot as it was.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again.. (keyboard warrior doh). Your stand point is moot, when you were the young generation the exact same would have been said by the older generation before you with your flash brace and bit set.. because "back in my day" we had to use or do XYZ instead.. its just a stupid argument. I bet the same "back in my day" came out of the cupboard when scopes first got put on rifles. You taught that young staff member something, success - learning - not their fault they don't know what an old outdated brace and bit set is.. its 2023.

I grew up using max point blank range and aim low with angle etc all taught by my father. As I have grown I have learnt new skills and developed methods to become more efficient and more accurate with the development of technology. It didn't just happen overnight, it has taken years to understand all the different things and learn the processes, inputs, calculations, why they matter, how to fault find etc and every day there is something new to learn. All done through learning in order to get experience in order to develop the skill... If it didn't take any skill or experience then the OP wouldn't be trying to learn right now? They are obviously just on that learning journey and looking for help to develop their skills and knowledge. How is that so wrong? I applaud them for bettering themselves and moving forward. After this they will have acquired some more experience.

I can't help to say something about your comments of "back in my day" I do `t think "back in my day" has a problem, lots of things we use today are invented long before we were born, freezers, differential gears, rifles, ballistics and MOA we are using today for hunting as well economic theories, farming skills that support people`s life here. Do `t know what you do for living, but I guess all the skills you learned from people that is older than you, and your boss should be older than you in your previous job or maybe now. So, please show some respect.

You said your father now learns from you for new techniques, I have no doubt of that. But have you ever thought he is happy is because he is happy to see you grow up, to see your advancements for everything from you, not those things he knew only in different forms of presentation. Hunting is not a competition that `s why I like it as well fishing. You can say all the F&off things you want, but please show some respect to "back in my day". Thank you.

Originally Posted by Black Rabbit

I can't help to say something about your comments of "back in my day" I do `t think "back in my day" has a problem, lots of things we use today are invented long before we were born, freezers, differential gears, rifles, ballistics and MOA we are using today for hunting as well economic theories, farming skills that support people`s life here. Do `t know what you do for living, but I guess all the skills you learned from people that is older than you, and your boss should be older than you in your previous job or maybe now. So, please show some respect.

You said your father now learns from you for new techniques, I have no doubt of that. But have you ever thought he is happy is because he is happy to see you grow up, to see your advancements for everything from you, not those things he knew only in different forms of presentation. Hunting is not a competition that `s why I like it as well fishing. You can say all the F&off things you want, but please show some respect to "back in my day". Thank you.

My apologies if it came across disrespectful. Being disrespectful to what people have done in their time was not my message within that comment at all. I have the utmost respect for any good person and what they have done as like you say I have learnt from many of them. I don't respect anyone more then my father - he still knows an absolute shitload more then I do about most things. I guess what I am really at here is I felt there was potentially a lack of respect in the opposite direction hence my reaction. Pretty stupid really when its all just words on the internet.. my apologies team.