Thread: How do thefts occur? (they take the safe or open it?)

Back in the day, I went to crazy-lengths, to keep my Ducati and Norton safe.Got sick of attempts to steal them, and sold them. I dont think I would consider that these days, and there are lots of good tips on this forum, to minimise the risks .Thieves dont want to take time,so anything that slows them down, will help. They mainly want shot-guns (to cut-down), and hand-guns, auto's etc. The smart ones, dont want our bolt-guns, but most dumb crims will steal it all. They dont want to get caught, so even stickers saying cameras are present, will help, maybe even dummy cameras up high. As others have pointed-out, they will use whatever is at hand, to break-in ,so to repeat the words of others ; conceal,where you can, limit access for tools, modify walls/doors etc., keep components apart, ad infinitum..make it a challenge = fun (or maybe thats just me). In South Africa, the CIA dont hide, they have a huge building, with a fekn "moat"..with crocs and ugly fish... I kid you not...and no-one, takes their guns...

Originally Posted by 2post

Banks are spraying DNA so crim's can be linked to to bank later, I also think that security vans use some sort of dye bomb? How about a cover sheet of asbestos around your safe so I kills them slowly if they try to cut it open?

Lol and then contaminates your house and all your shit with asbestos

Originally Posted by Paddy79

in all fairness a hot blonde on a drunk night out could be considered a ManTrap for some Men so what is a man trap really? anything that will get a man busted for doing something wrong?

I confess that a Hot Blonde is a trap for me anytime regardless, no alcohol required. Ah, beware the Hairy Lasso …..

Originally Posted by Beavis

Lol and then contaminates your house and all your shit with asbestos

I cant even read this forum without reading about asbestos.

Maybe if the crims cut into asbestos sheathed safes everyday of their non-working life it might kill them. Otherwise it will at best make your safe a bit more fire proof. Novachock sounds better but might kill half the neighborhood if the crims use explosives.

1080???

Hide things as best you can and make access as difficult as possible. Regardless of how you power them, grinders, drills and plasma (need a compressor) all make noise.

Interesting reading the comments in here. One thing that hasn't come up yet is that it doesn't really matter how secure you make it, if they have a knife to your kids throat your going to give them the keys. All they have to do is case the place a few days and find out when your home.

Another idea could be to install a smoke cannon, I have seen videos of them working and it quickly stops people in their tracks, You can't cut into a safe if you cant see the safe. These things can fill a large servo building with thick smoke in a matter of seconds.

Personally I have a small smart camera sitting on top the safe, if anyone moves near it I get an instant copy of the recording on my phone and all my tools are locked away in a cupboard as well.

While targeted attacks surely happen, I'm willing to bet majority of the guns that end up in bad guys hands are nicked by opportunistic thieves.

What constitutes safe storage can be a bit of a joke. You could of ripped my rifle off the perfectly legal rack I had with 1 hand. It was only secured by a plastic trigger guard.

Make it as hard as possible with a decent safe, you'll never stop them all but you can minimize the probability.

Originally Posted by Mintie

Interesting reading the comments in here. One thing that hasn't come up yet is that it doesn't really matter how secure you make it, if they have a knife to your kids throat your going to give them the keys. All they have to do is case the place a few days and find out when your home.

Another idea could be to install a smoke cannon, I have seen videos of them working and it quickly stops people in their tracks, You can't cut into a safe if you cant see the safe. These things can fill a large servo building with thick smoke in a matter of seconds.

Personally I have a small smart camera sitting on top the safe, if anyone moves near it I get an instant copy of the recording on my phone and all my tools are locked away in a cupboard as well.

Fortunately i don't think that happens too often yet in NZ but yes, what are you going to do?

put your gun safe in the usual place with an old 22 with bolt removed inside ... build a concealed space somewhere put your FA in their minus bolt etc

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Fortunately i don't think that happens too often yet in NZ but yes, what are you going to do?

Legitimate self-defense with reasonable force needs/should be recognized - Remember after all, we have been deemed "fit and proper."

Home invasions and aggravated burglaries are a terrifying experience to say the least. A couple of years ago my old flat had an armed home invasion just down the road from where I live. Even if the percentage is relatively low at the moment (in some places) why should we have the circumstances against us incase it ever did happen?

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Legitimate self-defense with reasonable force needs/should be recognized - Remember after all, we have been deemed "fit and proper."

Home invasions and aggravated burglaries are a terrifying experience to say the least. A couple of years ago my old flat had an armed home invasion just down the road from where I live. Even if the percentage is relatively low at the moment (in some places) why should we have the circumstances against us incase it ever did happen?

Agreed man. I've had the misfortune of being involved(involuntarily I'll add) in a couple of alterations involving weapons. Absolutely fucking terrifying, and I have a lifetime of competitive martial arts experience to fall back on. I can only imagine it's even worse or your average person or for those of smaller stature.

Being able to effectively defend yourself is imo an inalienable human right. In a violent or aggrevated event you can and should assume the worse of your assailant as IME by the time true intent is established it's often to late.

I have long had a solid wooden cupboard/safe made of very thick timber but recently bought the sturdiest safe i could find that i could fit rifles into and also move without a crane and a forklift. Ammo and gear will remain in the wooden safe whilst all my firearms will go in new safe, bolts into their own small safe elsewhere. Inside ,all my firearms are chained with a special chain and all have trigger locks.Cameras on the outside and inside, plus noisy dogs doesnt hurt either.

Probably as safe as i can reasonably make it until we get out new house built and i have a purpose built hidden gunroom made in it.


How i understand a lot of firearms are stolen is when thieves break into a house and rob it. They take anything easily got at,but take note of the firearms safes etc and then tell their gang buddies who then organize another break in specifically to get the firearms when they know the owner is away for a while.
Take a drive around most neighbourhoods,amazing how many garage doors you will see up with rods n reels galore on display. What the odds that people with a boat,expensive reels n rods also have at least a shotgun and maybe a few rifles in a safe somewhere. Wait till they are out in the boat and you have a few hours to jimmy the safe.

Anyone got those outdoor lights that are motion activated where the bulbs screw in ? Crim walks up to the front door during the day,no one answers, he unscrews the bulb 2 turns,still looks the same but now wont turn on at night. What im getting at is no matter what you do security wise, the crims will get around it if they want to enough.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I have been giving all this a far bit of thought since a previous thread about gun safe keys was posted. Battery tools make it easier to break into sheds etc in the first place and once in, yes any mains powered tools can be used. what I am thinking is that thick wood stops grinders because they don't have enough cut depth and even a 9" grinder with a skill saw blade (if you could hold it) wouldn't cut through a 5" (125mm) Oregon slab. A petrol demolition cut off saw is too big. A chainsaw can be stopped too with nails driven from the inside and Ramset nails will stop a Tungsten tipped circular blade. So should we be making safes out of 125mm thick timber or making a timber outer safe for our steel safe ?. A timber safe also has the advantage that it doesn't cool to the dew point like a steel one and so doesn't condense moisture like a steel jobby. The only one I can't figure out how to stop is a big powerful reciprocating saw if the crims can drill a hole to start it. Any ideas ??

@Moa Hunter

Someone on this forum mentioned he clad the inside of his safe with MDF - said it clogs up cutting discs and also creates smoke.

A realistic "ACME Fire Safe * Asbestos Lined" sticker on the outside might be worth adding, along with a couple hidden smoke detectors to blare like banshees once things start happening. Not quite a booby trap, but I see Home Alone III coming on.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@Moa Hunter

Someone on this forum mentioned he clad the inside of his safe with MDF - said it clogs up cutting discs and also creates smoke.

A realistic "ACME Fire Safe * Asbestos Lined" sticker on the outside might be worth adding, along with a couple hidden smoke detectors to blare like banshees once things start happening. Not quite a booby trap, but I see Home Alone III coming on.

I was thinking a dye sprinkler. We re not allowed to used dye packs as they could be considered a man trap but a sprinkler .....?

Paint the cnut bright pink or perhaps toilet blue, you know, that shit that does not wash off. Perhaps add a bit of cat or dog urine to make it easy for the police dog to follow. Even if he does not get caught, he will arrive home looking like a smurf that swam in a sewer...

My E cat safe is bolted to the concrete pad and to the wall as well, inside a cupboard that is to small to get inside of. And I in no way advertise that I hunt eg stickers on car etc. My vehicle is a pretty ordinary vehicle to be honest. it also pays to put stickers on your bumper like "Mountain biking for life" or "Trail runner" that way your vehicle is just another fitness freaks wagon in the road end car park. No reason to look in it for firearms etc.

Originally Posted by oneshot

My E cat safe is bolted to the concrete pad and to the wall as well, inside a cupboard that is to small to get inside of. And I in no way advertise that I hunt eg stickers on car etc. My vehicle is a pretty ordinary vehicle to be honest. it also pays to put stickers on your bumper like "Mountain biking for life" or "Trail runner" that way your vehicle is just another fitness freaks wagon in the road end car park. No reason to look in it for firearms etc.

Forest and Bird stickers or Vegetarians do it green.....?