Used to use a mini 30 with a red dot on Sika,wish I never sold it.
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Used to use a mini 30 with a red dot on Sika,wish I never sold it.
Talk about throwback Thursday @Cordite, revitalizing an old thread ;-)
And to answer your question: AR's dominate with off hand shooting. Fast follow up shots and no breaking cheek weld/position after each shot too and marginally less recoil compared to a bolt action - 308 vs .308, also the vertical grip and plethora of fore-end options make them easy to customize to one's preference as opposed to a more traditional bolt-action stock.
Hi Sasquatch,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Yes, agree. But fast follow-ups is different from first shot accuracy.
As I said, the known 'bolt action accuracy' of the AR refers to supported shooting, but unsupported, all other things being equal, longer lock-time will naturally result in lower accuracy. Go to many shooting ranges and it does not matter however, what with many shooting off bipods, sandbags, or both.
All that said, some AR triggers have a shorter lock time than stock triggers (16ms) so you can't totally generalise. Better AR triggers for example appear to have a shorter lock-time (6ms) than say a SMLE bolt action (~10ms) - sluggish lock-time for a bolt action.
Cordite
The best bolt action will beat the best semi as far as accuracy goes, I once owned a mini 14 that shot dinner plate groups at 100m. i sent it away for a med weight re barrel and was told it will produce bolt action accuracy which it did and managed 1inch groups at best at 100m which was acceptable and apart from the extra weight it was fun too shoot. Once i got into ARs they easily produced less than 1 inch groups with the right load, but still couldn't beat my re barreled remington bolt action for accuracy but it was close.
<1 inch at 100m sounds like shooting off something. I was talking of unsupported shooting where short lock time becomes more critical. It is not a minute-of-deer issue though.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxhound
Anyway, came across this when looking for a backpack rifle. Interesting folding design that appears to meeting A-cat requirements of length, unable to be fired folded when it's some 26" long so won't be measured folded by customs. Looks something between a french MAS 38 SMG and a prototype CETME. I'm amazed at the enginuity [spelling?], including the CETME-like forend-come-bipod.
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I've had a RRA PP 20" in the past.
3 round groups at 100 using 50gr AE JHPs making a clover leaf beating my old man's Tikka varmint.
I do not buy the notion that semis;" aren't as accurate as bolt guns".
Seen it in person before a fair few times.
Something to consider is like my Spikes LE mid length.Attachment 100508
Stock rifle minus the handguard, ,adjustable gas block and front sight and I popped a Hiper fire 24g Trigger in her. Bought it for 3 gun and hunting.
Talk to Ken he will sort you out. Tell him what your after and he will see you right
Cloverleafs at 100m unsupported? Respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
Nope off a bag :-( but my little one above did 3 rounds almost touching unsupported at 50m the other day lol which is Minute of AlphaQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Disagree. If unsupported, then you did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
